I said this on my thread;
What will Obama DO about the gun problem?
I can respect the truth.5 stars, very very well put. This may as well be Obama and Demo Party Leaders slogan as well.
Just say this.
I love my guns so much that I'm okay with lots of gun deaths and massacres every year.
Hopefully my family won't get killed at the mall, or my kid at school, but don't try to take away my toys- they matter more.
Gun Control would have stopped massacre? Really? How?Maybe there is a law which doesn't allow one to bring guns into a home where a mentally ill person resides? I know that would be very difficult to enforce, but with people just knowing about the law - it may have prevented the Mom from even making the decision to buy the guns.
Facts are coming out on this unthinkable tragedy...we now know the guns used were bought and registerred by the mother...we also know the killer tried to buy a rifle within week of tragedy and was DENIED by Ct law! Obviously, a background check flagged something...probably his label of autism...
If a proposed solution to this crime and others is to confiscate law abiding citizens right to gun ownership...then there will be a real chit storm ahead...and is not the answer.. You either go house to house and raid and confiscate or you allow anarchy on the streets and in our schools and malls, like we have now.
I do realize that taking the guns away from our citizenry leaves us little chance in fighting back against our Government by us using conventional weapons ( and that the militia's would be super p.o.'d ), but we'd just have to make do like Ghandi and try and effect political change from sheer force of will.If a proposed solution to this crime and others is to confiscate law abiding citizens right to gun ownership...then there will be a real chit storm ahead...and is not the answer.. You either go house to house and raid and confiscate or you allow anarchy on the streets and in our schools and malls, like we have now.
I'm for confiscating.
. You either go house to house and raid and confiscate or you allow anarchy on the streets and in our schools and malls, like we have now.
I'm for confiscating.
at least that way the only people hiding gunsprof...I like your prediction however, we always have close games in Chicago...
should read: 'the only people holding, not hiding,
cripes this coffee is too weak this morning.
GB 34 Bears 17
and then the Cards shut the doors for good on Bears' playoff hopes next week ....
still clinging i see.Clinging to what? Stricter gun control like abolishing conceal carry permits would have done absolutely zilch in stopping Lanza from doing what he did. It wouldn't have stopped James Holmes, Jacob Tyler Roberts, Jared Laughner, Seung-Hui Cho or any other of these nutjobs that do these kinds of massacres either.
For the 20 children in CT, and the countless innocent bystander children in gamg infested areas who die every day and night it's already too late.
But it's not too late to help out other potential victims of gun violence, and this Judge is moving us away from doing that.
And now gun control advocates have to work harder to win their ultimate goal of removing guns from the hands of crazy nutjobs like Lanza beecause of idoitic decisions like this one.The problem with guys like this, Lanza in particular, is that the guns weren't his in the first place. They belonged to his mother. For all intents and purposes a perfectly law abiding citizen.
Do you ever wonder why so many innocent children in the inner cities die from bullets not meant for them?As for innocent children being killed in inner cities by gang violence, no amount of gun legislation is going to prevent that. Gangs don't give two chits about the law as it is so you can be damned sure they're not going through legal channels to purchase their guns and unless you actively look at every single person you pass on the street looking for odd bulges in their clothing the odds of you spotting someone carrying a concealed weapon are probably pretty slim.
A lot of the time it's because gangbangers use biullets which are niot meant for the guns they are using, so the bullets travel in haphazard directions.
This is real life (and death), tired old 2nd amendment arguments are not going to win the day any longer.I'm all for some stricter regulation so the above statement goes out the window, but unless you're talking about the abolishment of the 2nd Amendment, banning of every single solitary gun, and a zero tolerance approach to enforcement then there's simply no way to prevent every incident like this from occurring. Even then it doesn't prevent the illegal aspects of gun violence.
I do realize that taking the guns away from our citizenry leaves us little chance in fighting back against our Government by us using conventional weapons ( and that the militia's would be super p.o.'d ), but we'd just have to make do like Ghandi and try and effect political change from sheer force of will.It's not just about Americans being able to protect themselves against their government, but it's also about Constitutional freedom in general. You're not only talking about taking away the types of guns that can be used in this type of massacre, but guns that perfectly legal citizens use for completely legal things, like hunting.
As if that guy Joe from down the street's arsenal of 4 AK 47s and assorted handguns are going to help anyway?
Prof...good luck with that one...first whisper of such an over reaching approach will have every gun owner hiding their weapons...or you will have violence aimed at the ones trying to confiscate...Wait, so you're okay with people illegally hiding guns when the government storms in to confiscate them as long as the person was smart enough to hide them in the first place? LOL
at least that way the only people hiding guns will be the ones smart enough tto know to hide them. If one is not smart enough tot hide them first, then they really are too dumb to own one at all.
BTW, why don't the feds try this approach first on the violent gangs of the country...we'll see success or failure right away don't you think?I'm betting on failure and on a large scale. Possibly on a higher scale than the so-called War on Drugs. The first time the Feds do a raid every other gun owner, legal or otherwise, that's "smart" enough to hide their guns will do so and unless the agents doing the raiding have Jedi powers there's no way they'll find them all.
fine by me, as long as we start somewheres
Even if they wanted to the federal government cannot just pass legislation to rid the country of guns and gun ownership, an amendment must be introduced and passed by 3/5 states ratific
Then the government would have to confiscate them---good luck with that one. Another issue....I know gunsmiths. Even if all the guns were confiscated, there are still people with the machines and tools and materials to make more. And they would.Not just that, but the blackmarket for guns from international sources would explode.
They belonged to his mother. For all intents and purposes a perfectly law abiding citizen.I agree that given her son's mental problems she should have secured her guns properly or remived them entirely.
A survivalist who had too much fire power and probably did not have them secured.
no amount of gun legislation is going to prevent thatI have never said don't do anything. I have agree with some common sense legislation suggestions, but by all means BB, don't let facts get you off of your soap box.
are you sure? Don't try anything because shick doesn't think it would work. shick, instead of criticizing every suggestion, spend time trying to suggest something that will work.
It must have worked for me.Why because no one killed in a massacre?
bullcaca, shick. What is freedom? Own tanks, missile-launchers, nukes? We restrict them. So increasing restrictions does not affect your "freedom".BB, I have said and I will continue to say that I have no problems with common sense legislation and restrictions, why you cannot or will not get that through your head is a mystery.
Which guns and why do citizens need them? You want to use sweeping generalizations for your rebuttal. Be specific. Let's have a real discussion of what is really needed and what are dangerous toys.I'm admittedly not a gun expert and given the multitude of types of guns out there it would be monumental to get into those kinds of specifics here.
shick, how did you get out of Prof's post that he wants to get rid of all guns. Oh, I see another red herring. Did you notice that he talked about people using conventional weapons? Let's have a conversation about what are conventional weapons Why do we need more than that unless you are a nutjob survivalists who give their kids an opportunity to kill 27 people within minutes.BB, if you follow the converstion between Toy and Prof, and not just one post, you'd see that that is where the topic was heading.
now shick knows where conversations are going and he uses an "if" and "not the answer" as his proof on where the conversation is going. No wonder he has no clue about the conversations on here.Auntie Em it's a twister, it's a twister!