you dont like lebron, you admit that. but you only put his actions up here that support what you are saying. you say nothing about his good deeds.
because ALL of the actions that i've put out there suggest he's a self consumed, arrogant, self centered jerk. once again just because YOU want to think of him as a boy scout and a hero doesn't make it true...
...BECAUSE WE DIDN'T GET THE POINT GUARD WE NEEDED TO START THE SEASON!!! Jeez turnip, for a guy who purports to like to use logic and facts, you sure are thick-headed!"this was a deal that took a lot of time and effort to put together between three GMs of three different teams, each with their own interests at stake!"If it was such a fair deal, then why aree you so upset that it didn't go down?
Don't you find it strange that everytime you ask me to make my argument, and I do, you always feel compelled to try and get the "last word" in by just throwing out some totally irrelevant and subjective thought...and then try to call that a "fact"???"between three GMs of three different teams, each with their own interests at stake!"GM's make bad trades all the time. You don't find it strange that in sports a great deal of the time the same teams are generally good and then a bunch of teams are generally horrible?
No, I don't...that's my whole point! < < s i g h > >"Since when do the "majority of the other league owners" get to ratify a trade? "I would say in any instance where there are 30 equal owners, that a majority vote would determine the outcome. You don't think that is fair?
Unique circumstance I will agree, but what is fair is fair.< < f a c e p a l m > >
Hmmm, I have an idea, why not let the GM that was hired to run the team and take care of the day-to-day business DO HIS JOB???"Why should any team be equally owned by every other team owner in the league? "It shouldn't, but if the current owner for whatever reason is unable to run the team, then what choice is there until a new owner can be found?
No, incorrect. We don't know that - that's the whole point - that's why the trade was done the way it was done and when it was done. The Lakers had a need that needed to be addressed before the start of last season, had the assets necessary to make the move, albeit a major one, found the willing partners to make that deal, and pulled the trigger."So, it sounds like you think it's a good thing that the Hornets franchise should temporarily become the unwitting pawn in power struggle between every other team owner in the league."Not at all. Trades in that situation become very tricky. Once again, I think the only fair way is the majority vote. I do know that if Paul would have just kept his mouth shut and played out the contract that HE signed, he could have opted out after last season, well within his rights and be a Laker today if that is what he really wanted to happen. Correct?
Bosh has nothing to do with my argument!"Turnip, you're not beating me or anyone down with proper examples or facts"Not true. Bosh is a perfect example to counter your argument.
See, now you're just babbling incoherently."nothing more than your own interpretation of the events in question"MY interpretation??? Hmmm. Bosh gets hurt late game 1 but Heat wins. Bosh doesn't play and Heat lose games 2&3. Heat is forced to make adjustments on the fly because without Bosh the Pacers were just clogging up the middle and leaving Bosh replacement unguarded. Spoelsta figures out best chance is to play small ball and surround James with shooters on the court. Heat win games 4,5,& 6 and then go on to win the Championship. In other words, they figured it out in a short period of time during the most crucial time of the year. On the other hand you claim the Lakers season was jeopardised because of the schedule even though they had 66 regualar season games to figurte it out and then the better part of 2 playoffs rounds. I would say your interpretation is far more out of whack.
MIAMI -- The side door to the newly refurbished gym opened, a blast of sunlight splashed into the darkened corner, and 100 children began shrieking in unison.
LeBron James was thrilled.
"It never gets old," James said.
That was the reception Wednesday when the LeBron James Family Foundation and Hewlett-Packard began rolling out what will soon be 1,000 new computers to 59 different Boys & Girls Clubs nationwide. At the Miami club, the roof is getting replaced and workspaces for kids are being spruced up with furniture from the HomeCourt line that James designs with girlfriend Savannah Brinson.
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It's all part of the commitment James made last summer, when his hour-long "The Decision" special on July 8, 2010 -- in which he said he was joining the Miami Heat -- raised more than $3 million for charity.
"I know a lot comes with being a professional athlete," James said in an interview with The Associated Press. "That's also being a role model to a lot of kids that look up to me. This automatically comes with it. And I have nothing but time for kids. I could easily be at home and just relaxing. ... But the opportunity to be here and giving back to these kids, I'm happy to do it."
James mingled with the kids for a while after a short ceremony, checking out the new computers -- loaded with many of the newest bells and whistles -- and posing for photos. One girl won a contest to have her bedroom redesigned by James and Brinson, and outside, people waited with their cell-phone cameras poised in hopes of catching a brief glimpse of the NBA's two-time MVP.
At one of the busiest stages of the NBA season, James said he welcomed the idea of taking an afternoon away from basketball.
"Kids are a huge passion of mine," James said. "I always said when I was growing up, 'If I ever have an opportunity, if I ever got big enough, whatever the case may be, I will always try to give back as much as possible.'"
Strange as it sounds, James may never have been bigger than on the night of "The Decision."
An estimated 10 million people watched the show, which elicited all sorts of reaction the minute he infamously said that he would "take my talents to South Beach" and join the Heat.
James has said many times that he regrets certain aspects of the hastily arranged program, but adds that the money it raised made it more than worth doing.
"Very few people, with one hour of their day, one hour of their life -- that's all that show was -- can impact this many people," said Boys & Girls Clubs Vice President Frank Sanchez.
Sanchez said he believes "hundreds of thousands of kids" nationwide will be impacted by what James is providing. The northwest Miami neighborhood which hosted Wednesday's event has a high school graduation rate of between 50 and 60 percent, something the Boys & Girls Club is trying to raise considerably.
Days like Wednesday will make that task easier, Sanchez said.
"Every kid here will have the same chance as the same kid in any other community," Sanchez said. "Every kid here can do their homework like every other kid in the country, because the technology is the same. They have a place here, because of LeBron."
HP's association with James goes back many years, and the company did not hesitate when this opportunity came along.
"We don't do celebrity sponsorships," said Satjiv Chahil, HP's Strategic Advisor for Global Market Development. "We celebrate achievers from society who have multifaceted lives, who have an appreciation for technology and who have a human cause. ... We celebrate LeBron."
The first thing James and Brinson did when they arrived at the Miami club Wednesday was check out the furniture -- a passion project for them both.
Brinson has a long-standing interest in interior design. So that, combined with James' idea to explore a line and seeing how the couple's two sons, LeBron Jr. and Bryce, tend to test the durability of children's furniture in their home, added another element to what the MVP's foundation is trying to do with initiatives nationwide.
"I just like seeing the smiles on the kids' faces," Brinson said. "And anyone who's benefiting from him coming to talk to them, or just seeing him, it might not be something that they'll be able to do every day ... this is probably the first and last time that something like this can happen and they'll remember it for a long, long time."
James took an overwhelming amount of criticism for "The Decision" -- both what he said, and how he said it.
Moments like Wednesday, and the reminder that plenty of good came out of that night, make it easier for him to put aside how naysayers reacted.
"I would do it again," James said. "I won't play this game forever. But the things that we're doing in the communities, things that we're doing in the gymnasiums, in the computer labs, they will last. When I'm done playing basketball, I can still go back to some of those same parks and see what we were able to accomplish that day in 2011. That's important to me
Lebron "the Villain" James is also the biggest supporter of charities in the league and was the only NBA player to make Parade Magazine's list of the most charitable athletes. He started the Lebron James Family Foundation to raise money to support single parent families in the Ohio area. Oh and the proceeds from that over the top, self-indulgent, and disrespectful spectacle "The Decision"? Everything he made went to the Boys and Girls Club of America, all 2.5 million dollars worth.
No suspensions, no outlandish on court behavior, he's never been charged with a criminal offense, or found guilty of using performance-enhancing drugs, and yet he is the league's "bad guy". Why? Because it's fun. It's just as fun to cheer against Lebron as it was to cheer for MJ, and "The Decision" gave us the perfect opportunity to get emotionally invested in the guy, albeit in a negative way. He might be the NBA's "Bad Guy" but despite two bad decisions that he made without malice, he has given us no reason to label him as a villain... but let's still cheer against him, it's more fun that way.
So enough already about using a TV show , a fan celebration , tweets and tattoos as your excuse for hate.
If you are going to be that petty in your judgement of NBA players then I would suggest that if you went through every teams roster, player by player, and judged them as hard as you try to judge James, then you would dislike so many players that you wouldn't even be interested in the NBA any more.
SO then why do you allow your bias against Laker fans cloud your judgement when responding to my point about the Stern trade veto?"Once again you are injecting your own personal bias into a situation that was anything but fair..."Simply not true Jefe. I know you think I do, but I have no bias against the Lakers team . I have said for 2 years plus that the only thing I hold against them is the idiocy of Laker fans here in regards to how they IMO care way to much about James and his TV show and Heats fan celebration.
For the record, his name was Dell Demps and he was hired in the summer of 2010, just as Chris Paul was starting to grow very disenchanted with life as a Hornet, and his agenda was to try and do whatever was necessary to not only try and mitigate Paul's displeasure, but also make the Hornets much more competetive than they were."Hmmm, I have an idea, why not let the GM that was hired to run the team and take care of the day-to-day business DO HIS JOB???"Normally, I agree with this. Honesltly, I don't even know who the Hornets GM was, how long he had the job, what his agenda was, etc..
Like I said, TO ME, if something is owned evenly 30 ways and a decision has to be made, my commons sense tells me majority vote. Obviously 30 billionaires agreed? Correct?You're missing the point (as usual) - the point being that 30 billionaires should never be co-owners of a team and allowed to get mixed up in the day-to-day operations of that team, least of all get mixed up in the ratification of a trade wherein there is a conflict of interest between their own team's agenda and the more salient agenda of the one team that they have no business getting mixed up with in the first place!
<< f a c e p a l m . . . s i g h >> You're an idiot."The Lakers had a need that needed to be addressed before the start of last season, had the assets necessary to make the move,"That's your opinion but the majority of jury members felt differently after deliberations.
No, but I certainly would've been prepared to try and defend it from the hordes who would've been looking to make that claim, being that - let's face it - last season was anything but normal!"and I gave you my reasons and made my argument - from what is clearly an admittedly Laker-centric point of view"Fair enough, but at least admit it the Lakers or ANY other team but the Heat would have won, you would be quiet as a mouse on the subject. Are you telling me that if the Lakers would have won that you would have publicly been saying the championship was tainted in ANY way?
Not true - I go my own way, as always. If they happen to express an opinion that I agree with, and it coincides with an argument being made here, I'll let it be known...but otherwise I consider myself something of a lone wolf on this thread."Turnip. arguing with you is like trying to reason with a drunk guy at a bar -"But you side with CL and Mamba?
How many times have I made a point ot you that completely makes sense and then your counter is to name the name of the thread?That's an interesting question, turnip...I guess it's because I'm perpetually bewildered as to why you've spent the better part of the last two years looking to enter into an "adult debate" with a bunch of certifiable Heat Haters here in the "Heat Haters" club to begin with!
Again, that is fine, but if you going to end up going there, why try to have an adult debate to begin with?
Well, for me personally, and to be perfectly honest with you, I guess it's because I take offense to, and resent, this idea that you feel like you are entitled to always have the last word here on a thread that was originally set up as a platform to give people who feel compelled to sound off against the evils of the Miami Heat in the post "Yes.We.Did" era. Not to mention as a further effort to try and rally against this insane idea that you've decided to take up residence here to the exclusion of a presence anywhere else in the CBS online community."You are preaching to an uncaring audience here."Then why do you and the others take the time to even respond?
"Let’s recap the rule: Teams can use the amnesty provision just once during the length of the current collective bargaining agreement. The provision can only be used on players who were under contract with the team at the time the CBA was ratified. Any contract signed after that is not eligible. Any player who is traded is no longer eligible. Teams may only use the provision during the offseason. Players are then put on a special waiver where each of the other 29 teams can submit bids – subject to their salary cap limitations – to claim the player at a given price for the length of the original deal."
He can't be amnestied. Like I said at the time, I understand why the Lakers made the move but it did come with risks.
The goal is to try to get back to championship level while Kobe is still around.
IMO, the best path is doing whatever it takes to get Howard.
and your 2nd best player (Kobe) is not willing to allow your best player (Bynum) to have the offense run through himBynum doesn't work hard enough for the offense to be ran exclusively through him like say a Shaq. Now, I WILL say that he deserved more looks however...but he has to be willing on the court to the be the man before he can be the man. He improved last year and I'll be interested to see how much he progresses this yr(that's IF we keep him). As for us being DONE, keep on counting us out, fine by me. Hypothetically speaking, if we land Howard, that all but solves our pick and roll problem, and that is huge. Nash certainly can't "keep up" with WB, but who can?!? The only person that can stop him is himself, PERIOD...if we crackdown on their p&r, which is the greater majority of what they do, I'll live with everything else.....but there's TWO sides of the ball. I'm sorry, but IMO Nash,Kobe,Gasol,Howard is near impossible to guard, just pick your poision. Nash is still a top 2 to 3 pg as for as assists and running an offense,Kobe can play off the ball, Gasol can get back in the post, and Howard has a killer faceup game. That would be the best starting 5(I understand if you disagree) in the game. We do need to shore up our bench a little more. 2 more wings with Jamison and Hill would be ideal. As for Nash's contract, there's nothing to worry about there. At this point, Nash, Eyenga, and Bynum/Howard(if we retain them) will be the only guys on the books for Nash's last year, and that's if Nash doesn't retire. I'm MORE than sure that if Kobe and Gasol came back, they would be back at a reduced price. We'll have MORE than enough flexibilty to build around Bynum/Howard in 2014.