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Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

Posted on: January 23, 2012 12:22 pm
Edited on: January 23, 2012 12:30 pm
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The Yankees sent out a whole bunch of lists and numbers Monday, ahead of Tuesday's Jorge Posada retirement press conference.

The numbers are impressive (more doubles than Mickey Mantle, more home runs than Don Mattingly), and I'm sure we'll spend more time dissecting them in five years, when Posada shows up on the Hall of Fame ballot for the first time.

I'm more impressed by the wins and the rings.

I'm more impressed that through the better part of 17 years, Posada was catching regularly for a team that won championships. The Yankees won four World Series with him behind the plate, and they went 65-41 in postseason games that he started (a .613 winning percentage that would translate to 99 wins over 162 games).

Posada was rarely if ever considered the best catcher in the game. He started just two All-Star Games. Scouts (and some pitchers, writers and club executives) complained regularly about his defense, especially in his later years.

But somehow, the Yankees kept deciding he was their best option. Somehow, with Posada behind the plate, they kept winning.

His final season was a strange one, with the Yankees' never-fully-explained insistence that he could not catch under any circumstances, to the odd night when he removed himself from the lineup before a game against the Red Sox.

Then there was this winter, when the Yankees let him know they had no room for him, and Posada briefly entertained the idea of trying to play for another team.

And now he'll make his retirement official, at age 40, leaving the Yankees without ever playing for anyone else.

Fans complain often that players move around too much in modern baseball, that "you'll never see" stars staying with the same team for an entire career. But the fact is that you do see it, and the fact is that many players do end up feeling a sense of loyalty that makes it tough to ever leave the one organization they've known.

I remember Alan Trammell wrestling with it in his final years with the Tigers, and finally deciding that he couldn't see himself playing elsewhere.

Now we have Posada, who is sure to be joined by Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera as lifetime Yankees who never wore another uniform.

Posada will be defined by that, by his part in one of the best eras in the history of baseball's most successful franchise. He'll be defined by his part in it, by the championships he helped win.

I'm not ready to decide yet whether he belongs in the Hall of Fame. I am ready to say that he leaves with a distinguished place in Yankee history.




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Since: Apr 13, 2012
Posted on: April 15, 2012 3:05 am
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

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Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 27, 2012 1:10 pm
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

The comparison to Carter was already made and Posada loses miserably.  When comparing players of different periods, you have to look past the numbers.  Carter was an 11 time all star and two time gold glove winner.  Add two silver sluggers and he seriously outdistances Posada. 

Posada was not a great player.  Great person?  Maybe.  I don't know the man.  But "merely" a very good, not player.  And the HoF is not the Hall of Nice Guys.



Since: Jun 29, 2010
Posted on: January 24, 2012 10:43 pm
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

Someone else already said it best..... You put Posada on the Mariners, Diamondbacks, Indians, etc..... does his name even get whispered for the HoF?  No, because he's not deserving.  He simply never played at a HoF level.

Posada was one of the classiest, hard nosed players of our time. You are not going to see many talented, dedicated, selfless players like him come along. Whether he played for the Yankees or any other team. Jorge played under the microscope that comes with being a Yankee and came through on top. As far as the HOF, Posada's average HR's, RBI's and BA over his 17 year career are better or comparable to Gary Carter, a HOFer, only Posada has those 5 rings. My opinion, if Carter made it, Posada should surely make it. 5 time all star, 7 WS's. Don't understand how players can't get voted in because they played on championship teams???? Should Ruth not have made it because he batted ahead of Gehrig???? 



Since: Jan 24, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 2:12 pm
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

Years played, team wins and number of rings does not and should not get you into the HoF.

Comparing his numbers to other Yankees get him in? No

Should Jorge be considered? Absolutely





Since: Feb 19, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 1:58 pm
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

@Zeppelin - yeah, "wasn't a liability" is certainly a case for the HOF...


@TwentySeven.  I disagree that longetivity alone is enough to get in the Hall of Fame.  However, you also stated you felt he was one of the best for a period - those two together equal a Hall of Famer.  I disagree on how "very good" he was overall and I disagree with how high he might have been ranked among catchers of his era.

He is borderline at best - not to diminish his career or anything, saying you are just shy of Hall of Fame material is not an insult. 



Since: Feb 11, 2008
Posted on: January 24, 2012 10:57 am
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

Longevity means something...

Jorge Posada Played catcher for 16 of 17 years with the NYY.

You can argue that he was never the best on any given year,
but he was definitely one of the best.

While other catchers had their stocks rise and fall, 
saw their stats decline after PED testing was introduced,
Posada still remained one of the top catchers in baseball.

Being very good for a very long time IS being great!
      
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Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2012 10:10 am
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

Someone else already said it best..... You put Posada on the Mariners, Diamondbacks, Indians, etc..... does his name even get whispered for the HoF?  No, because he's not deserving.  He simply never played at a HoF level.



Since: Jan 20, 2008
Posted on: January 24, 2012 10:03 am
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

The Anti-Yankee bias will surely be in full effect when Jorge's name appears on the HOF ballot.  Was Jorge a gold glove caliber catcher? No he wasn't.  But he wasn't a liability either.  Jorge was far better defensively than some of the other offensive catchers of his era such as V.Martinez and M.Piazza.  His list of accomplishments are too many to mention.  Undoubtedly you will hear about his five rings and his winning % over the years but what will be missed by all Yankee fans that seen him everyday the most will be his all business approach to the game.  You never saw Jorge smiling with other opposing players or even clowning around with players on his own team.  His steadiness and leadership is what helped the Yankees be, well....the Yankees.  All I'll say now about his HOF credentials is this...when is the last time a catcher retired playing 16 seasons with the same team all the while winning 5 world championships. I don't want to hear about how good the Yankees were during his time because before Jorge we didn't make the playoffs for 15 years.  Was he fortunate to come up at the right time...sure...but let's not forget that Jorge was a major piece to the puzzle of the best team of a generation.  Oh and once again... 5 RINGS.



Since: Oct 27, 2008
Posted on: January 24, 2012 9:05 am
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

As a life long Yankee fan, I am on the fence about Jorge's HOF quallifications.  There's 5 rings.....how big of a part did he play?  There's playoffs in 16 out of 17 seasons.....do they get there without him?

He was a leader, steady, dependable, clutch, productive.....but does that puit him in the HOF? I really don't know..... Munson never got in......Mattingly never got in......and yet Kirby Puckett did.......the anti-Yankee bias out there will end up making this a moot point so I don't think he'll make it....

Posada was, is, and always will be a great Yankee and will probably have his number retired (and rightfully so)...truth be told if I had my choice I'd rather be there than in the HOF.....for the most part.....that's in the Bronx anyway......27 World Championships says so.....

Thanks Jorge!




Since: Feb 19, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 6:14 am
 

Posada's Yankee career defined by wins and rings

I just think that to be a Hall of Famer you have to have had a very good career with a period of greatness...  There has to be a multiple year stretch where you were considered one of the best at your position...

I don't know that anyone ever considered Posada as one of the best catchers in baseball.  Did he have a very good career?  Yes.  Was he able to handle a staff?  Certainly wasn't bad at it.

However, it is the Hall of Fame...  Not the Hall of Consistently Good...


I'm sure bias will get him in though... 


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