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Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

Posted on: December 7, 2011 2:07 pm
 
DALLAS -- Even as the Marlins formally introduced Jose Reyes at a midday press conference here Wednesday, Albert Pujols shadowed them like an unrealized fantasy.

Owner Jeffrey Loria and president David Samson would only talk about Reyes, much as the other day they would only talk about new closer Heath Bell when Reyes' deal had not yet become official.

Difference is, there is no agreement with Pujols yet. And there are growing indications that there might not be.

"We're working on some things," was the only thing Loria would say. "Stay tuned."

As the day got longer Wednesday, the lobby buzz at the Hilton Anatole here grew louder that Pujols is moving closer to returning to the Cardinals. Basically, the thinking goes, the Marlins' best chance was with a quick strike, which they executed Tuesday. The Cardinals increased their offer to 10 years and $220 million, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the same day.

Samson said that the Marlins' plan "always was a three-part move", and two of those part now are in house with Reyes and Bell. The third part, clearly, is Pujols. And if he passes, left-handed pitcher Mark Buehrle.

If Pujols would decide to come to Miami, the Marlins' plan actually would extend out into at least four parts, because they would trade incumbent first baseman Gaby Sanchez for a starting pitcher.

Whatever happens, the Marlins would like to add starting pitching depth to go with Josh Johnson, Ricky Nolasco, Anibal Sanchez and Chris Volstad.
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Since: Jun 20, 2010
Posted on: December 8, 2011 1:01 am
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

***BREAKING NEWS*** 

The Los Angeles Angels have pulled off a massive 3-way trade with the St. Louis Cardinals and the Miami Marlins.  The exact details of the trade are not clear yet, but the key players involved are Albert Pujols, Hanley Rameriz, Kendry Morales, and Vernon Wells, with Pujols and Hanley Rameriz going to the Angels for a handful of players and also cash considerations  The St. Louis Cardinals who were able to offer Albert Pujols the best contract available to him as far as money and total years goes will sign and trade away Pujols for players from both the Angels and the Marlins.  After signing Pujols, the Cardinals will then trade him to the Angels who will in turn send a combination of players to both the Cardinals and the Miami Marlins.  The Miami Marlins will then send Hanley Rameriz to the Angels.  The following players from the Angles will be going to either the Cardinals or the Marlins, Los Angeles Angel Kendry Morales, Vernon Wells, Alberto Callaspo, Jerome Williams, Fernando Rodney, and either Erik Aybar or Maicer Izturis will be going to either the Cardinals or the Marlins.   It is not clear what players from the Cardinals and the Marlins will also be involved in the trade, but Jon Jay of the Cardinals and Gaby Sanchez of the Marlins have been possible names mentioned.  

Look for more detailed information on this trade to be available in the next couple of days.     
  Larry Dobrow, CBSsports.com   &nbs
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Since: Dec 5, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 12:53 am
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

To understand how underpaid he's been, consider this:

He's never had a top-15 salary

He had a top-25 salary only once -- in 2006 when he was 17th.

He's been top 5 in MVP voting in 9 of his 11 seasons, winning 3 times.

And he never complainted about it, held out, or demanded renotiation.





Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:41 pm
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

I agree!! First of all, for someone to say he is only going to produce for 3 or 4 yrs is absurd!!!  The guy hit like garbage over the first 2/3 of the season then lit the league on fire.  Do I think he will produce as a 41 year old first baseman.........possibly not, but he has been playing discounted baseball for way tooooooo long.  He hasn't even been the highest paid player on his own team for the last 2 yrs.  I guess we'll go ahead and chalk that one up to being his own fault.  He's 31 not 81! Why does all of the nonsense happen when the Cards sign someone.  Everyone hiccuped when we signed Holiday, but nobody winced when Reyes (or anyone else, Crawford,etc) sign for more. Can anyone help me on the hypocrisy ?



Since: Jan 30, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:30 pm
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

I think the agent kept negotiating with the Marlins to get the Cardinals to increase their offer. The money is not ridiculous, as Howard actually makes more. I just do not it is smart to give out 10 year contracts unless it is a player in his early to mid 20s. You really can't blame the agent, this is what he is supposed to do. The agent was fortunate because this year the Marlins seem to be trying to prove they will spend money by running around with an open checkbook.



Since: Mar 24, 2010
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:27 pm
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

"god i feel like I'm in some weird vortex- Who on the earth would be extending a 10 YEAR CONTRACT to a 31 (maybe older) first baseman"

I will point out two stars that did quite well in their 30's---NON-STEROID Players, mind you:

These are the stats for these players aged 32-40. Not quite as good as their overall stats, but:

Hank Aaron 0.947 OPS;0.293 BA;37 HR;100 RBI;91 R
Willie Mays 0.916 OPS;0.292 BA;31 HR;87 RBI;96 R

I think any GM would be overjoyed to sign an "overage" player that performed like that!!

Also, let's see how Hank, Willie, and Albert compared from ages 20-31:

Hank Aaron 0.945 OPS;0.320 BA;33 HR;109 RBI;107 R
Willie Mays 0.985 OPS;0.318 BA;32 HR;95 RBI;102 R
Albert Pujols 1.037 OPS;0.328 BA;41 HR;121 RBI;117 R

So, overall, I would say that Albert performed at a significant level ABOVE Hall-of-Famers Hank & Willie in his initial years
AND he is QUITE capable of continuing such!!!



Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:18 pm
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

Here is my qestion to all, I know 220 million over 10 years sounds like alot, but in 10 years while Albert is dwindling away, will 22 million be all that ridiculous. In ten years they will probably have 40 million-50million a year deals! Albert seems to me that he will be a productive hitter into his 40's, even if not, Pujols will produce for at least 7 of the 10 years. It is a small price to give pujols more money backloaded to be succesful for the next 7 years. I think this deal is not that ridiculous at all.



Since: Jul 21, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:09 pm
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

I agree entirely, and besides, even before those long-term issues become reality, whatever team signs Albert can kiss World Series contention out the window. That is unless the rest of the team is OK with making peanuts while "Sir" Albert eats caviar.

These long-term deals are stupid, because no one has that much staying power. I just hope they structure it in such a way, and Albert is amenable to changes, that if his production does decline significantly that he doesn't hold they Cardinals to this astronomical deal and say "Pay Up" it's my money!! Cards could end up sucking long term out of this deal.

Clearly Albert is worth a significant contract increase, but does it really matter? Is that extra cash going to make any difference in performance or stature? He's already arguably the most feared hitter in the league. So what's to gain?



Since: Nov 16, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 10:48 pm
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

I've been a Cardinals fan all my life,as much as I like Pujols a 10 year deal is crazy I guess it will be 4 or 5 as a player the rest working for the team in another role,I feel the Marlins drove the price up just because they could I just hope that this will not hinder the team in other positions anyway it not a done deal yet so I guess we'll wait and see



Since: Nov 17, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 10:04 pm
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

god i feel like I'm in some weird vortex- Who on the earth would be extending a 10 YEAR CONTRACT to a 31 (maybe older) first baseman who's on the downslide of his career? 10 years? Are you kidding me with this contract? He had a career low in like 5 categories!!!!!!!! He had good numbers but he wasn't even the best hitter in baseball last year. He had below 300 average, below 40HRs, below 100 RBIs, a career-low OBP, etc. Sure he deserves $20+ million a year for maybe 2-3 years....but he's going to quickly be undeserving of anything north of $10million within 3 years. at the 6 year mark he's lucky he's hitting 260 with 25HRs...at the 8 year mark he's lucky he's hitting 230-240 with 15Hrs. He'll be unstartable at the 9-10 year mark. A 10-year contract is OUTRAGEOUS. Whoever signs him is going to have a major albatross hanging around their neck for 7+ years.



Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 9:53 pm
 

Pujols veering toward Cardinals?

As a baseball fan I'm glad he"ll be staying in St. Louis. However they would have a large percentage of money committed to two players (Matt Holliday)entering their early/mid thirties. Down the road this might limit their ability to fill other positions but if they are winning championships it will be worth it.
Well said. I have been saying that for a while now. Berkman is on his last legs, Lohse is old and winding down, Carpenter is gone in a year or two. What are they going to have left? You also will have young guys like Freese, Greene, Craig & Jay all looking for raises over the 415,000 they all make.


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