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Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Posted on: November 18, 2011 6:21 pm
Edited on: November 18, 2011 6:28 pm
News that the Red Sox are talking with Bobby Valentine appears to mean one of two things for the flailing Bostons, who now are the only major-league team without a manager:

1. There is a total lack of direction and the Red Sox don't even know what they want anymore.

2. Ownership has seized the steering wheel from rookie general manager Ben Cherington and now is controlling the process.

Either scenario is not good, a far cry from the well-oiled machine that won the World Series in 2004 and 2007.

The first scenario is evidenced by the dramatic contrast between Valentine and the initial group of candidates they interviewed: Dale Sveum, who was named Cubs manager Friday, Sandy Alomar Jr., Gene Lamont, Pete Mackanin and Torey Lovullo. Of that group, only Lamont has prior major-league managerial experience (Mackanin was the Pirates' interim manager in 2005 and the Reds' interim pilot in 2007). All of those guys veer toward the quiet and unassuming and, to an extent, could be controlled by management. Valentine is brash, has years of experience and is his own man.

The second scenario is evidenced by the fact that Sveum veered in the Cubs' direction in short order following a lunch with Red Sox ownership on Wednesday. He was the only candidate brought back for a second interview. Clearly things did not click between Sveum and Boston's ownership. What we don't know is whether Sveum told Boston the Cubs were his first choice or whether Red Sox ownership pulled the plug on him.

Either way, it speaks volumes.

Obviously, Cherington did not think experience was a necessity when this process started. Valentine was on the shelf, available, when Terry Francona was let go. If the Red Sox were that interested in Valentine, they could have had him in place weeks ago. Why waste time first-dating all those first-timers?

Unless ... they arrived at Valentine once ownership lost confidence in Cherington.

Now there are more questions than answers:

-- Has aggressive president Larry Lucchino been turned loose by co-owners John Henry and Tom Werner to do his thing after being kept away from baseball operations during Theo Epstein's last few years in Boston?

-- By hiring Sveum, did Theo and Co. sting the Red Sox enough that Lucchino and Co. looking to one-up the Cubs with a splashy hire?

-- With his outsized personality, how much fun would Valentine be managing the Red Sox mixing with the outsized egos of ownership, the outsized coverage of the local media and the outsized noise from the New England fans?

-- How does Cherington regain his balance after his legs were cut out from under him this week and command authority going forward? Is it even possible?

At this rate, the Red Sox may take until Valentine's Day to have a manager in place. Or maybe (Bobby) Valentine's Day will come early to Boston.

Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: November 23, 2011 4:25 am

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

You just described their team...not their farm system!Just because they came from the farm system4,5,or 6 years ago does not make their "current"farm system good...Its one of the worst in baseball actually!!!!!
What people need to realize about Red Sox fans is they are permanently stuck in 2004. They still believe they have an elite team with elite prospects. I think some would call it denial. 

Since: Dec 7, 2008
Posted on: November 21, 2011 5:01 pm

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

You just described their team...not their farm system!Just because they came from the farm system4,5,or 6 years ago does not make their "current"farm system good...Its one of the worst in baseball actually!!!!!

Since: Apr 7, 2011
Posted on: November 21, 2011 4:04 pm

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

I'm not sure what season you were watching but the Sox Farm system has been fantastic for several years now.  While they may have problems, a lack of talented young players is not one of them, nor is depth with team injuries.  Pedrioa, Youkilis, Ellsbury, Papplebon, Bucholz, Lester, Bard, the emergence of Redick this year, and players like Kalish and Iglesias coming up speak for their farm system right there.  Even when Lavarnway played pretty well filling in for catcher.  Their collapse came primarily from thee inconsistancy of their starters; both pitching and field players.  There was no lack of young talent.  So I'm not really sure why you're trying to make that point.  They have blown money on pricey starting pitchers, Daisuke and Lackey primarily, but they've successfully integrated Lester and Bucholotz in that time frame.   

Since: Apr 21, 2007
Posted on: November 21, 2011 12:29 pm

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Lots of opinions here since I checked in last week, but the one sentiment I think I agree with most is that the current crop of fat cat players would eat up a new manager lacking a track record; he just would not be able to deal with this situation from a position of authority.

And make no mistake - this is needed.  Regardless of past accomplishment, we're now dealing with the residue of 2011; and the 2011 version of Beckett is now that of a world series winner, but that of a junk-food junkie not bothering to support his teammates from the dugout during games.  And Lackey et al - more guys just like him.

Bobby V has the track record - a record that indicates he can manage a game, but not necessarily manage a team to the top (or, for that matter, not grate on everyone he comes in contact with in less than a month)

So who else is there?  Anyone hiding in the TV booth on "sabatical"?...

Wait!!  I got it!!  I HAVE GOT IT!!!

A leader of men... a no-nonsense, tough-as-nails top-dog who's earned nearly universal respect (and multiple championships; a guy who could ABSOLUTELY kick butt and get ownership support for it.  The man for this job is....

Bill Cowher !!!

On damn..... wrong sport.

Back to the drawing board...

Since: Mar 26, 2011
Posted on: November 21, 2011 10:42 am

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Red Sox think they throw money in the FA market and it would equate into World Series win. By not building a farm system their over price team was denied by a team not buying free agents and with a farm system the Rays.

I think Manager cannidates see a mess in Bean Town with a bad pitching staff that dosn't support their team on the bench when their turn isn't up and no farm system to use when players go on the DL.

Since: Jan 30, 2009
Posted on: November 21, 2011 9:49 am

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

totally agree with you. lucchino couldn't deal with surrendering some power to theo and hence theo's exit out of boston and arrival to chicago.

cherrington might be a good or even great baseball guy but it won't be proven in his time in boston. lucchino will be pulling the strings on this mariennette and the red sox will suffer for it. he is going to try to make sure a splash is made in wake of chickengate, francona/epstein debacle, crawfords awful year and lackey's tommy john surgery. the only way to do that is to hire bobby v. he has a nice track record with the texas rangers and the new york mets. he didn't do all that bad in japan either.

red sox fans, this should be an interesting year and a pretty successful one. the lineup is very strong and pitching can be above average if dice-k can come back. and don't more jd drew.

Since: Oct 3, 2011
Posted on: November 21, 2011 9:22 am

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Are Yankees fans lovin' this?

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: November 21, 2011 9:15 am

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Theo Epstein is pretty slick, huh ? In truth, Epstein is the epitome of the new breed of young, udeservedly entitled, Direstors of Spending, playing GM in a high stakes version of Fantasy Baseball, with other peoples money. Somehow, he consistently spent the 2nd most payroll in MLB, and seemed to forget the pitching quite often...Like all things baseball, the law of averages kicked in on Epstein the last few years in Boston, and his ability to spend was overtaken by his misjudgement... Instead of suffering through a last contract year with his shortcomings exposed, he did what many desperate executives do: he started blaming others, and looking for an escape route.

He found a pretty good one with the Cubs, for now. 

The Redsox aren't doing themselves  any favors by picking Cherington if he wasn't up to the job, or in leaving him with the organization, if he's not. The Redsox have considerable assets, both financial and between the lines-if they can't find a baseball mind to lead from the top of the organization, and get back in contention pretty quickly, they aren't looking very hard.

But...It makes no sense to hire a manager before having the front office in order...and NONE of the current candidates makes much sense anyway.

It makes little difference who makes out the lineup card on opening day, because the lineup isn't going to change much....What the Redsox immediately need is someone that can sign a player based on more than what they see on the back of the basebal card and have the ability to trade a bad contract or two, and THEN they can go find a manager. 


Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: November 21, 2011 1:33 am

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

I think Sveum was Ben's choice. He had to get approval but it didn't come in time or wasn't granted.
My guess to why they have to hire within the organization is because the GM for the Sox is nothing more than a figure head. Maybe Epstein was given too much credit for the success, and too much slack for the failures. Why? Because it is the ownership, or an advisor to the ownership that is putting the stamp on all the move's. Theo is probably happy to be out of town and in Chicago where he can can at least breathe. I even heard he left his diapers and bottles at Fenway Park for his predecessor , classy move. 

Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: November 21, 2011 1:27 am

Red Sox look directionless in talking Bobby V

Throw it against the wall and see if it sticks.

Throw Menu, Red Sox Clubhouse:

Beckett Clubhouse Fried Chicken - (Additional charge for the crispy) - $17,000,000.00

Clubhouse Lackey Beer (Bottle or on Tap) - $15,950,000.00

Clubhouse Video Lester Games - $5,750,000.00

Order all 3 for only $35 Mil. a savings of $3.7 Mil. 


That's some epensive ass chicken!!! Does it come in gold packaging? 

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