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Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

Posted on: February 26, 2012 2:01 pm
Edited on: February 26, 2012 3:08 pm
 

The immediate reaction to Ryan Zimmerman's $100 million, six-year extension with the Nationals was this:
Where's the hometown discount?

Zimmerman's total contract, which now runs through 2019, guarantees him $126 million, including the two years he already had on his deal. Forget that $126 million has been an unlucky number in baseball contracts (see Vernon Wells, Barry Zito and Nationals teammate Jayson Werth), it just seems a bit high considering 1) Zimmerman has an injury history, 2) he sprayed a few throws in recent years, and 3) the Nationals have a top third-base prospect in Anthony Rendon.

Said one competing executive of the Nats' two nine-figure deals now in the books: "Seems like they have two $100 million contracts but no $100 million payers.'' That also refers to Werth, who didn't live up to his contract last year. (Though some might say the Nats have Stephen Strasburgh and Bryce Harper, who may be worth $100 million some day.)

No matter what anyone on the outside thinks, Zimmerman was said to be the Nats' No. 1 priority this winter, and they did get the deal done. They love him for his defense, his clutch hitting, his personality and his local roots (University of Virginia). They also recall that he led the majors in WAR one year.

But he has also been hurt a fair amount, enough to question whether he warrants the ninth-biggest deal in the majors and third-biggest for a non-1B infielder (behind Alex Rodriguez and Troy Tulowitzki) or deserves to join Albert Pujols, Prince Fielder, Tulowitzki, Ryan Braun and Matt Kemp as players in the books through 2019. Zimmerman's deal also includes an option for 2020 that could bring his haul to $150 million.

Zimmerman did agree to a $10 million personal services deferral, which means only $116 million of the $126 million counts as payroll and could help the Nationals in terms of flexibility. But the reality is he's a one-time All-Star. And that's a lot of loot for a one-time All-Star.

Category: MLB
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Since: May 2, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:12 am
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

Is it too much? Maybe.  But here are a few things to remember.  

1) First of all people need to quit saying he's "only" a .288 hitter. That hitting percentage is approximately 30 points higher then the major league average was last year.

2) In 2009 as a 24 year old the guy hit .292 with 33 hr's and over 100 rbi's.

3) In 2010 at only 25 he hit .307 with 25 hr's, 85 rbi's and a .388 obp.

He had a bad season last year, no doubt about it.  But he almost missed around 60 games, even on his not so good pace his pro rated numbers were around 20 hr's, 80 rbi's and a .289 average with a .355 OBP.

His career numbers pro rated for 162 games are about 23 hr's, 88 rbi's, a .288 average and a .355 OBP.

Top MLB free agents don't consider Washington very often.  They have to hold onto the good young talent they have.

This might have been a pretty good argument if you were talking about a guy that signed a contract for $70 million.
But Washington spent $126 MILLION.

They over paid.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2012 9:05 pm
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

More like "so sayeth" a real baseball fan that understand the game of baseball, unlike chumps like you that don't know anything.

Hey, Gladys, lighten up.  You have one opinion, millions of others have another.  You're definitely not smarter than anyone else, and you don't "understand the game" better.  Only in your wild imagination is that true.

I'm a BIG Prince Fielder fan, BTW.  But Fielder IS in his prime, and 9 years is way too long for him.  He's already played 1000 games, he's certainly not "filling out" like some young guys might be, and he's not suddenly going to be better than he ever was.  And he's not "worth every penny" of a ridiculous contract when they'll still be paying him $24M to produce like a 20something when he's 36 years old.   I get why you're excited to have him, but the contract is too long, and every "real baseball fan" not blinded by homer goggles can see that.

And you contradict by vehemently claiming that he's "worth every penny", then saying the team had to "take their chances".  If he was definitely worth every penny, risk wouldn't even be a consideration.



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2012 8:16 pm
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

Another moronic article from a CBS so called journelist. Since 2006 Zimmerman has stats that are in the top 5 in every offensice category for third baseman and is a much better defensive player than most of the others. At the end of his contract he will only be 35 or 36 if the Nats pick up his 2020 option.  Hw ill be p;aying 1st base long before then as the Nats will be playing Rendon at 3rd, maybe as early as 2013. Yes, he has had some really fluke injuries but that does not necessarily make him injury prone. Not to mention you could not ask for a better teammate/captain for a team. He is humble, incredibly community minded and always willing to sign autographs for the kids. And the biggest thing is that he wants to play his entire career here, not go somewhere where he may make a few dollars more. Pujols could not wait to sell out so he could go to Disneyland so he can be a moviestar player. WHAAAA, they are calling me El Hombre.  Whaaaa! Fielder talks like a moron and could not care less about such silly things as community or fans.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 8:14 pm
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

Prince Fielder is much further ahead and is certainly worth every penny he signed for.

So sayeth the Detroit sports fan......


No. More like " so sayeth" a real baseball fan that understands the game of baseball, unlike chumps like you that don't know anything.

In his last 5 seasons, Prince Fielder is averaging a .285 batting average, 38 hr's, 113 rbi's, .397 OBP and a .558 slugging percentage.

Last year he as a 27 year old not even in his prime yet he hit .299 with 38 hr's, 120 rbi's, .415 OBP and a .566 slugging percentage.

He's going from a good hitting club to an even better hitting club.  Like I said, he hasn't even hit his prime yet.


Even morons understand that according to today's MLB salaries Prince Fielder is very much worth every penny of that deal.

A long agreement yes.  But when you're competing for an UFA with the talent and stats of a guy like that, you take your chances. 



Since: May 23, 2008
Posted on: February 27, 2012 7:00 pm
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

 And Beltre? Really? He hasn't done squat since he went nuts with the Dodgers that one year.


You had me until this. The guy was incredible the last two years. Basically, he's been incredible ever since that year except when he played in Seattle.  



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2012 6:46 pm
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

Prince Fielder is much further ahead and is certainly worth every penny he signed for.

So sayeth the Detroit sports fan......



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 27, 2012 4:32 pm
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

I might also point out that Fielder's contract is for 9 years, while Zim's is for 6. By the end of his contract, Zim will still be producing. Will Fielder? I have my doubts. There's also this: Fielder is guaranteed $214 million, $88 million more than Zimmerman.

I've already defended the Nats and believe they needed to sign Zimmerman, but let's not get crazy here.  Prince Fielder is much further ahead and is certainly worth every penny he signed for.  Is 9 years and 214 a lot? Sure.  But this is MLB where logic doesn't apply. Everybody makes more money then they should, that's just the way it goes.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: February 27, 2012 3:11 pm
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

And Beltre? Really? He hasn't done squat since he went nuts with the Dodgers that one year.

That's right.  As long as you don't include earned two gold gloves, outhomered Zimmerman 163-128, scored more runs, drove in more runs, stole more bases, gathered two top-15 MVP nods, and generally outperformed Zimmerman in every way.  If you don't include any of that, then Beltre "hasn't done squat".

Learn the game or just stop posting, because that was really bad.   



Since: Mar 8, 2007
Posted on: February 27, 2012 11:52 am
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

This is a add on to the two existing years remaining. Sorry but all those long term deals including this one will finish with another overpaid veteran sitting on the bench or on the 60 day disabled list. That includes Arod as a Yankee fan I will admit that. Teams need to build the farm systems and sprinkle in free agents and there is one team that seems to be doing that the last 2 years. That team is the Yankees....surprized? 



Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: February 27, 2012 11:49 am
 

Early word: Nats paid too much for Zimmerman

The Nationals could spend $200 million on a player and it wouldnt matter.  Year in and year out, they are EXPOSed for whom they are, bottom feeders in the NL East, period. 


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