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Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

Posted on: December 28, 2011 2:43 pm
Edited on: January 24, 2012 8:58 pm

After some more negotiating this winter, indications are that there's still a sizable gap in long-term contract talks between the San Francisco Giants and their ace pitcher Tim Lincecum.

Neither side would speak directly about the specifics of the negotiations that have been kept remarkably quiet this winter, but it is thought the sides are still at least a couple years and tens of millions of dollars apart. The Giants had made locking up Lincecum and his rotation mate Matt Cain their top priorities this winter, priorities 1 and 1A if you will.

The Giants are believed to have raised an offer they made this summer that was said to have been for four years and presumably about $80 million sometime in the past few weeks, but Lincecum, a two-time Cy Young winner and the 2010 World Series hero, is thought to be seeking an eight-year deal. Neither side has suggested exactly where the Giants stand now, but people familiar with the talks suggest the sides are also weighing one- and two-year options now, a clear signal that they aren't yet close to agreeing on a contract of substantial length.

Both sides have suggested all along that they are amenable to working out a deal of one or two years if they can't agree now on a long-term arrangement. However, the Giants' ultimate goal has been to do a deal that would cover some of Lincecum's free agent years. Lincecum is eligible for free agency after the 2013 season. A case could be made that there is even more urgency to the talks involving Cain; while he is clearly the No. 2 man in the rotation, he is eligible for free agency after the 2012 season.

While a longterm deal for Lincecum would almost surely run the Giants well more than $100 million, the arbitration process isn't going to be cheap, either. He made $14 million in 2011 (including a $1 million bonus) and could approach a record $18-20 million via an arbitration settlement, with the possibility of $25 million or more in '13 looming. A case could be made that Lincecum has been baseball's best pitcher over the past four years. He certainly has been its most decorated, with three strikeout titles to go with all the other hardware.
Lincecum, a Seattle native, has thrived since te Giants made him one of the best No. 10 overall picks ever a few years back. San Francisco has embraced his quirky delivery and nature. Likewise, all indications are that he loves the city and wants to stay a long while. The rival Dodgers gave star outfielder Matt Kemp a $160-million, eight-year extension this winter.

Lincecum, 27, is 69-41 with a 2.98 ERA, but that doesn't tell the story of the brilliance he has displayed. He was only 13-14 in 2011 when a incredible lack of offensive support undermined his efforts.

Category: MLB

Since: Sep 13, 2006
Posted on: December 30, 2011 3:27 pm

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

Maybe the Angels will sign him to an idiotic contract like Pujol's?

Since: Aug 25, 2009
Posted on: December 30, 2011 3:09 pm

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

Tim Lincecum's one of a kind throwing motion requires a tremendous amount of flexability.  The idea of that motion staying the same, with the results he has now, into his mid 30's is not realilistic.  I think the Giants and Tim should meet in the middle at 6 years at 120 million plus.  Hopefully Lincecum can stay at the level or close to where he's at now once he 's into his 30's.  When his skills start to dimish I think they are going to go quicker because he is so small.  But in the mean time I plan to enjoy every outing of his I am able to see.

Since: Jul 6, 2008
Posted on: December 30, 2011 2:38 pm

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

The Giants got the best year out of Timmy and he's been paid. Offering more than a 5 year deal would be foolish. WHEN he breaks down the Giants don't want to be holding that salary bag, ala Zito. I love Timmy but sometimes you have to let the things you love free, so they can go get assinine contracts from the Yankees and then get injured. The Beltran for Wheeler deal is looking worse with every passing day; the Giants don't have any top starting pitching prospects on the horizon.

Since: Jun 16, 2011
Posted on: December 30, 2011 11:09 am

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

Keep dragging your feet SF, the Yanks will be glad to pay for Lincecum!

Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: December 30, 2011 3:25 am

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

Give him 5 yrs for 100 million, that is if they are smart.

Since: Dec 20, 2011
Posted on: December 30, 2011 2:12 am

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

The Giants can only sign him to a 2-year deal, it looks like. Money is the issue, not just the number of years. It's a lose-lose situation for the front office since they can't afford a mega deal akin to something like what the Red Sox could do. So they'll sign him for 2 years, get what they can outta him and hope he had a change of heart. Otherwise, he'll be a Yankee or something. Sad, really. Thank Scott Boras for ruining America's pastime.

Since: May 28, 2007
Posted on: December 29, 2011 11:38 pm

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

only 3 pitchers i would sign for 8 years.c.c,halladay,and lincecum.remember how good prior was for 3 years?or brandon webb?mike hampton?santana?cant compare position players to pitchers.once the arm goes dead it's game over.

Since: Dec 29, 2011
Posted on: December 29, 2011 10:28 pm

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

If Timmy wants an eight-year deal, sign him. Angels gave Albert Pujhols a ten-year, 254 million deal not because they expect him to be productive at age 42 (although he may still be) but because this is the only way to get him to sign with the team now. I am not trying to compare the two players, just to say that if it's the only way to sign Timmy, do it (may be back-loaded to alleviate the heavy load in the next couple of years due to Zito, Rowand, etc.).  It's always easy to take what you have for granted. Please don't take Timmy for granted!

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: December 29, 2011 10:23 pm

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

There is no way that Lincecum is going to get this type of crazy money until he is 35. Lincecum is a fireballing strikeout artist who throws 90+ mph. To think that his arm is going to last for 8 more seasons of that abuse is insane and the Giants know it. If they draft Lincecum, get great years out of him and then do it at a "bargain," then it will have been a great move for the Giants. The only way to mess up that bargain is to sign him to some long term deal which essentially overpays him for the twilight of his career. (e.g. Barry Zito) If he leaves, he leaves. Heck, the Cardinals just did it with Pujols. The Giants are not free spending idiots like the Yankees.

There is an old adage which goes, "most of the time, when you sign a free agent to a mega deal, you are paying for the stats he gave to some other team."   

Since: Dec 29, 2011
Posted on: December 29, 2011 6:17 pm

Gap still exists in Giants/Lincecum talks

Time is of the essence. . Two years from now Lincecum could be worth 30 million per year. So make the deal now and lock him down

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