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Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

Posted on: January 9, 2012 7:34 pm
Edited on: January 9, 2012 11:17 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

Just over an hour ago, I surmised that the Cubs' reportedly strong interest in Paul Maholm was a true sign that they were set to deal Matt Garza (UPDATE: The Cubs have indeed signed Maholm). Sure enough, a report from Dave Kaplan of Comcast Chicago says that the Cubs and Tigers are "down the road in discussions" on a trade proposal that would send Garza to Detroit.

At this point, it wouldn't be surprising if Garza just wanted to be traded in order get the rumors overwith. His name has been bouncing around the rumor mill for the better part of six weeks. The Blue Jays and Yankees have also been mentioned quite heavily in Garza rumors. In any of those respective rotations, he would most likely slot as a No. 2 starter.

If the Cubs did trade Garza and sign Maholm, the best bet is their five-man rotation for the 2012 season is set with Ryan Dempster, Randy Wells, Travis Wood, Maholm and Chris Volstad (with Andy Sonnanstine as the injury replacement). The season is going to be one of transition anyway, so the Cubs would then see what they had in the latter four while Dempster would be a free agent following the season -- and perhaps he fetches a prospect or two before the trade deadline in July.

As for the Tigers, they're built to win right now, having lost the ALCS to the Rangers last season. Garza bolsters the rotation behind reigning Cy Young and MVP winner Justin Verlander, along with Doug Fister, Max Scherzer and Rick Porcello. Would the Tigers cough up top prospect Jacob Turner? There have been conflicting reports on that, but it's a good bet that's who Cubs bosses Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer have their eyes on.

Turner, 20, is a right-handed pitcher who had a 3.44 ERA, 1.16 WHIP and 110 strikeouts in 131 minor-league innings last season, across Double- and Triple-A. Many scouts believe he profiles as a frontline starter once his development is complete.

Garza, 28. was 10-10 with a 3.32 ERA, 1.26 WHIP and 197 strikeouts in 198 innings pitched. Between poor run support and a pretty terrible defense behind him, however, Garza pitched much better than his raw numbers would indicate.

Even if this report is inaccurate, don't expect Garza's name to be removed from rumors until either he is traded or the Cubs' season begins.

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Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: January 10, 2012 6:40 pm
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

What ever happens with the Cubs roster now, it's a sure thing that the roster will be (almost) completely different in 18 months.



Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: January 10, 2012 6:00 pm
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

Wasn't there some negetive talk about Garza being too expensive just a few days ago? The Cubs were trying to deal him because he cost more than they are getting out of him. The Tigers don't need any "baggage" the that the Cubs are trying to unload. They Tigers need to insist on the Cubs picking up a portion of the tab. If he is a true #2 pitcher, then why are the Cubs wanting to trade him except to give them some releif in the pocket book. I hope the Tigers move cautiously with this transaction. They don't any dead weight or added expense that is not paying its own way.
The talk was that the Cubs was asking too much in return for Garza, Garza Salary would be somewhere between 6 to 12 million dollars next year.

The main reason the Cubs want to trade Garza is to get prospects back, trading a good player for an couple of prospect would allow the team rebuild in shorter period of time. Beside the Cubs farm system is not that good



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 10, 2012 3:34 pm
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

i agree but i think 3 will be the max of prospects getting shipped for garza. If castalanos and turner are in the deal it really does not get any better than that. 

Castellanous isn't getting traded for anybody, Dombrowski has almost said that himself or implied it in many ways.  The Tigers already traded their 2nd best 3rd base prospect, they aren't going to trade the only one left at that position.  Throw in the fact this kid can really play baseball and is one of MLB's best 3rd base prospects and it's a no brainer.  What are the Tigers going to do, keep playing guys like Inge and Betemit for the next 10 years at third base?  

I can see the Tigers trading Turner OR Smyly, and maybe another 1 or 2 mid level prospects but that's about it.  I like Garza a lot, I think he's a solid pitcher that would do a great job in Detroit.   But the Tigers aren't going to trade the farm for anybody at that position... 



Since: Jun 26, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2012 1:49 pm
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

RJ3 - what are you talking about?  Dead weight - Garza?  Obviously you have not watched any baseball outside of the state of Michigan.  This guy is a good clubhouse guy and is a low end #1 strong #2 in virtually any team in baseball.  There is no overpayment or dead weight to this guy or his contract.....not an intelligent or well thought out post at all. 



Since: Mar 2, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2012 1:15 pm
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

Wasn't there some negetive talk about Garza being too expensive just a few days ago? The Cubs were trying to deal him because he cost more than they are getting out of him. The Tigers don't need any "baggage" the that the Cubs are trying to unload. They Tigers need to insist on the Cubs picking up a portion of the tab. If he is a true #2 pitcher, then why are the Cubs wanting to trade him except to give them some releif in the pocket book. I hope the Tigers move cautiously with this transaction. They don't any dead weight or added expense that is not paying its own way.



Since: Jan 22, 2009
Posted on: January 10, 2012 1:00 pm
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

The Cubs really have themselves a gem as a general manager with Theo Epstein and his right hand man Jed Hoyer. As an outsider looking in (I am a Braves fan). I am actually excited to see what the Cubs team can do. Signing Maholm is a very solid under the radar move and that if it goes well. He could very will be excellent trade fodder at the trade deadline for a team looking for a solid lefty starter. Zambrano who the previous Cubs GM would have never thought about getting rid of is gone, You have Cashner who is basically Mark Prior and Kerry Wood in terms of potential but injury as well gone. The David Dejesus signing could be big, because he only had one terrible season and that was last year in the hitter's prison in Oakland. The Cubs have acquired Anthony Rizzo who should be their starting first baseman for many years to come. They have acquired Chris Volstad who I really believe can be good with the pitcher's frame he has, if he would change the arm slot on his delievery. Then Travis Wood who can be solid as well who was acquired in the Sean Marshall trade. Now, they could possibly acquire Jacob Turner who is really talented, and will help long term for the Cubs if they get him for Garza. It would help to add to a system that only had Brett Jackson as it's only flier worthy prospect last season.


Theo was in a situation where in Boston that they wanted to win now. In Chicago, he can take a year or possibly two and rebuild this team with young talented, cheap players while building the future with some of the money saved for Big Free Agent Splashes in the future. With Braun suspended, Fielder Gone pretty much from the NL Central, and Pujols gone even though Wainwright is returning. The Cubs might even make some noise this season though I think it is still the Cardinals' division to lose at least for this season, but considering they have a new manager. Anything can happen with them, and this is a team that Larussa barely got to the playoffs last season.



Since: Jan 10, 2012
Posted on: January 10, 2012 10:11 am
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

ahhh internet sarcasm, that never gets old. Time will tell, everyone is an expert on a forum like this. The problem with Turner is that while he is very talented the
y are rushing him he wasn't ready to pitch in Detroit last season. Look at his three starts a 8.53 ERA and watching those games, he got hit pretty hard. Dombrowski has a history of doing this, just look at Porcello who after a great rookie campaign has had some pretty bad seasons. 

At least with Smyly he was further along in his development prior to his arrival with the Tigers organization. Also a 22 year old at AA ball racking up a 1.18 ERA and .198 opponent BA average is very impressive regardless if he went to college. Add to that equation he's a lefty, something the Tigers desperately need in the rotation and he's only two years older than Turner.
 



Since: Jul 21, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2012 9:44 am
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

Matt Garza for Jacob Turner? If this were to happen, I believe Turner should legally change his name to John Smoltz Jr. In other words, this time around, don't do it Detroit.



Since: Apr 13, 2007
Posted on: January 10, 2012 9:23 am
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

'..Drew Smyly who most say has a higher ceiling than  (Jacob) Turner'


It would be easy to dismiss this as myopia, but it wouldn't be fair to myopia.  I'm quite sure that (let me crunch the #s) just about nobody thinks Smyly has a 'ceiling' anywhere near Turner's.     If you honestly believe that, don't be fooled by the #s put up by a polished college product at 22 in the FSL & the Eastern League.  He could be a left handed rotation piece, but Smyly isn't as talented as Turner. 



Since: Jan 10, 2012
Posted on: January 10, 2012 9:12 am
 

Garza-to-Tigers rumors persist

replace Guillen and Maggs in 2012? Replace what exactly, Guillen was hurt 90% of the season (pretty easy to replace that) and Maggs never really got it going last season as the ankle still wasn't 100%. Their production will be very easy to replace.


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