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Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Posted on: December 22, 2011 4:34 pm
Edited on: December 22, 2011 10:15 pm
 


By Matt Snyder


The Washington Nationals have landed left-handed starting pitcher Gio Gonzalez, CBSSports.com insider Jon Heyman has confirmed. In return, the A's will receive a veritable killing that is usually reserved for an ace-type pitcher. Tommy Milone, Brad Peacock, Derek Norris and A.J. Cole are headed to Oakland's system in a trade that was first reported by ESPN.com. In fact, Peacock and Milone are probably going to be thrown into the A's starting rotation. UPDATE: CBSSports.com's Scott Miller reports that the Nationals will also get right-handed pitcher Robert Gilliam.

"It's 99 percent done," Gonzalez said (Associated Press). "It's pending a physical and I'm just waiting to hear from my agent."

On the Washington end, they are getting a 26-year-old lefty who isn't eligible to be a free agent until 2016. Gonzalez was 16-12 with a 3.12 ERA and 197 strikeouts in 202 innings last season for the A's. Of course, he also led the majors with 91 walks. Still, he's pretty tough to hit, holding opposing hitters to a .230 batting average and .336 slugging percentage last season.

With Gonzalez alongside Stephen Strasburg and Jordan Zimmermann, the Nationals have a formidable trio to lead their rotation for several years. Further, with John Lannan and Chien-Ming Wang -- and Ross Detwiler as insurance -- the Nats have a very strong rotation top to bottom. They are coming off their best NL East finish since the move to Washington -- third place -- as they'd previously finished in last place five times and fourth place once.

Gilliam, 24, appears to be a throw-in. He was 12-7 with a 5.04 ERA and 1.30 WHIP in High-A ball last season. He did strike out 8.5 batters per nine innings, though.

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As for the A's, they are clearly rebuiling, just as we've known all winter. They already traded All-Star pitcher Trevor Cahill to the Diamondbacks and are still rumored to be close to trading closer Andrew Bailey.

This deal will go a long way toward setting up the future, and -- as I mentioned earlier -- Milone and Peacock probably step into the rotation with Brandon McCarthy and two others (Brett Anderson and Dallas Braden are still recovering from season-ending surgeries) immediately.

Milone is a 24-year-old left-hander. He was 12-6 with a 3.22 ERA, 1.03 WHIP and 155 strikeouts in 148 1/3 innings in Triple-A last season. He was then promoted to the big-league club and made five starts, with decent success. He had a 3.81 ERA and 1.25 WHIP in 26 innings with 15 strikeouts and four walks (and two of those were intentional).

Peacock was pretty dominant last season at three different levels. The 23-year-old right-hander started the season in Double-A, where he went 10-2 with a 2.01 ERA, 0.86 WHIP and 129 strikeouts in 98 2/3 innings. He then struck out a batter per inning in Triple-A for nine starts and was moved up to the Nationals. In 12 big-league innings, Peacock only gave up seven hits and one run (0.75 ERA).

Norris, 22, is a high-on-base, power-hitting catcher. Last season, he hit just .210 but had a .367 on-base percentage with 20 home runs in Double-A. He also stole 13 bases and threw out 40 percent of would-be base-stealers.

Cole, 19, is a bit away from the bigs but has high upside according to many scouting services. The 6-foot-4 right-handed pitcher went 4-7 with a 4.04 ERA for Class-A Hagerstown last year, but he also struck out 108 batters in 89 innings.

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Comments

Since: Dec 18, 2009
Posted on: January 6, 2012 6:26 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Josh Beckett had a career year? Are you kidding 13-7 2.89. His career year was 2007 20-7 3.29. And don't give me any "his ERA was better" because if that were the deciding factor the Sox would have made the nplayoffs which they didn't. You needs wins to make thenplayoffs and he only had 13.  Career year, what a joke.



Since: Jul 13, 2010
Posted on: December 26, 2011 6:32 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Mike D your right, dont listen to Phil-E-PHAN, hes one of the phillies fans that give all us other phillies fans bad names.

Go read my comment a couple pages back and you'll read an unbiased comment from a phillies fan.

This was an amazing deal for the naTS, they gave up 4 prospects who have had only one good/impressive years in the minors. 2 of them never even had a good year and the catcher is one of them. peacock sucked for 3 years then had one impressive year last year. same with the other pitcher they got milone or something.

and for people to think the werth contract is going to kill the NAts, then go look up who are the richest owners in baseball. i think the nationals are number 2 right behind toronto. might even be first. they will sign fielder and have 3 top pf hte rotation guys plus maybe the 2nd or thrird best lineup in the NL.

this coming from an UNBIASED phillies fan.

if nats sign fielder, watch out cause they might even have enough to beat out my phillies unfortunately...... and GG your comments just show al your ignorance to the game of baseball. your so biased and ignorant when it comes to your braves and you think nobody(well except my phillies, since we done it 5 yearsin a row now) can beaT your team. you think prospects are gonna get it done in this division?? and when i was talking about jurrjens i was puttign things in quotes. you guys were proclaiming him an ace and cy young at the all star break. now hes on the trade block?? BAHAHA your team is going nowhere this year. atleast my phillies will make the playoffs....

braves will finish at best 3rd place and will be watching the phillies and nationals in the playoffs this year.


GG = worst troll ever to be associated with this site.

Phil-E-Phan = a biased phillies fan that cant be realistic about anything....



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 24, 2011 7:37 am
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Once again -- as a Phillies fan, I'd think you would understand this more than most having Roy Halladay on your team.  He has improved every year since he turned 27.  As a Tigers fan -- I can tell you right now -- Justin Verlander is 10 times the pitcher he was from the age of 26 to 28.  It wasn't until this year that he finally realized he didn't have to throw 100 mph from the 1st inning on and could get hitters out early in count and didn't need to strike everyone out.
You do realize those guys are the exception to the general rule. 
OK -- how about Randy Johnson -- he didn't win a Cy Young until he was 32, then won it again 4 more times after that.  How about Roger Clemens -- He pitched great till he was almost 40.  How about another Philadelphia pitchers -- Cliff Lee??  What about CC Sabbathia??

I can keep going if you'd like -- What about Jared Weaver -- he just had a career year at age 29.  Jamie Shields just had a career year at age 30.  Josh Beckett just had a career year at age 31.  Ryan Vogelsong just had a career year at age 34.

Should I keep going??? 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 24, 2011 7:28 am
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Errors and fielding percentage are about as useful as Wins. 
LMAO -- you are a disaster.  You talk about how Oakland is filled with defensive studs and that why part of the reason why Gonzalez's ERA was as good as it was, only to say errors and fielding percentage are useless stats.  All I can is WOW.

What is next? Homeruns are a worthless stat?  Strikeouts are a worthless stat?  BA is a worthless stat?  WHAT STATS ARE WORTHY?? 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 24, 2011 7:22 am
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

So what's the perfect age to be if you're a baseball player? For a while now, there's been a small brouhaha going over  and . Now that I'm past both of those landmarks myself, it doesn't seem like that big a difference, but in a profession where a player might play six years if he's good, knowing which of those six years will be his best is vital to a team.
Yeah -- you provided a great article -- one that says " in a profession where a player might play 6 years if he's good".  So based on this article -- Gonzalez will be out of the league in 2013, as that will be his 6th year.

The problem with all the sabermetric BS is -- the majority of the stats involved are subjective and there is no definitive answer.  The article you have used to is taking every pitcher into consideration, from the one and dones to the guys who pitch for 10+ years.

You are kidding yourself if you think a player starts to decline at the age of 27.  ESPECIALLY a pitcher with only 2 full years under his belt.  MLB players don't even hit their prime until around 28 -- 28-31 are the prime years for MLB players, it could be even longer now in the day and age of weighlifting and training. 



Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: December 23, 2011 9:32 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Once again -- as a Phillies fan, I'd think you would understand this more than most having Roy Halladay on your team.  He has improved every year since he turned 27.  As a Tigers fan -- I can tell you right now -- Justin Verlander is 10 times the pitcher he was from the age of 26 to 28.  It wasn't until this year that he finally realized he didn't have to throw 100 mph from the 1st inning on and could get hitters out early in count and didn't need to strike everyone out.
You do realize those guys are the exception to the general rule. 

 http://www.baseballprospectus
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com/article.php?articleid=10058

Players peak at 27 generally. So he has a year or two before his decline starts most likely.

 So your comment regarding, what you see is what you get is nothing more than jibberish.

You ramble on about 2 of the greatest pitchers in this generation, and I post an article with a ton of analysis. Yes, I'MMMMMMMMM the one using jibberish.  



Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: December 23, 2011 9:25 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

The "team full of guys that are defensive studs" that surrounded Gio Gonzalez led the entire AL in errors with 124 last year (5 more than 2nd place)
Errors and fielding percentage are about as useful as Wins. 

 So tell me again how he was surrounded with all this defensive talent???  Or are you going to tell me that errors are a flawed stat too and I need to go and look at the range of each player on Oakland.

Pretty much. It is purely subjective, and a guy who is fast enough to get a glove on a ball gets an error while a guy built like Prince Fielder has the ball pass through cleanly. Both guys get on base, one is an error. 

 AL teams don't play small ball and AL pitchers don't have the luxury of facing the pitcher 2 or 3 times a game.
He also won't have the Luxury of a division with the Mariners or the Angels. 


His Fip hovers closer to 4 than 3, which should tell you everything you need to know about the defense behind him.

He's a good pitcher, not great. 

 ERA under 3.20

ERA as a stat, like Wins and errors, blows. 

Gio is a decent #2, and they overpaid to get him. 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 23, 2011 8:38 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

He's right around the age where players are pretty much fully developed. It is very rare for a player to keep improving past the age of 27-28. He'll be 27 by the end of next year. So he might get a bit better control, but other than that what you see is what you get. 
You are just making stuff up as you go -- No player is fully developed at 26 years old, ESPECIALLY a pitcher.  They learn knew stuff every year, whether it be a new pitch, how to pitch in certain situations, how to get certain hitters out.  They add pitches, drop pitches, etc.

Once again -- as a Phillies fan, I'd think you would understand this more than most having Roy Halladay on your team.  He has improved every year since he turned 27.  As a Tigers fan -- I can tell you right now -- Justin Verlander is 10 times the pitcher he was from the age of 26 to 28.  It wasn't until this year that he finally realized he didn't have to throw 100 mph from the 1st inning on and could get hitters out early in count and didn't need to strike everyone out.

So your comment regarding, what you see is what you get is nothing more than jibberish.   



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: December 23, 2011 8:31 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Wins are an awful statistic, and utterly irrelevant when evaluating a pitcher. Felix Hernandez's Cy Young year is proof enough of that. They don't score a lot of runs because Billy Beane has a team full of guys who have absolutely brutal offensive skills but make their living as a defensive studs. ERA is a highly flawed statistic, and when you look at his peripherals they are good. Not great, he is not by any means an ace. He's a decent #2. 
Like I said -- maybe it'd be better to think before talking.  The "team full of guys that are defensive studs" that surrounded Gio Gonzalez led the entire AL in errors with 124 last year (5 more than 2nd place)

So tell me again how he was surrounded with all this defensive talent???  Or are you going to tell me that errors are a flawed stat too and I need to go and look at the range of each player on Oakland.

The other thing you need to take into consideration for Gonzalez is he is moving from the AL to the softer hitting NL.  AL teams don't play small ball and AL pitchers don't have the luxury of facing the pitcher 2 or 3 times a game.  His ERA will probably be sub 3.00 in the NL.  He also won't have to face the Rangers multiple times a year, as well as the Yankees and Red Sox.

I seriously think you are spoiled as a Phillies fan -- ANY pitcher, especially in the AL that can put up back to back seasons averaging close to 200 IP and almost a strikeout an inning, while having an ERA under 3.20 is a LEGIT #1 pitcher.  The fact that he is left handed makes him even more valuable.  I know as a Tigers fan, I was PISSED the Tigers didn't get a deal done to bring him in.  They were trying to get a deal done for the last month with Oakland. 



Since: Oct 4, 2006
Posted on: December 23, 2011 6:11 pm
 

Gio Gonzalez traded to Nats for four prospects

Out of curiousity -- How many pitchers in the MLB do you consider to be "aces"?  Then list them for me.  I just want to see what the criteria is in your eyes.
About a Dozen probably... Maybe more given we are in a bit of a pitching boom.

Kershaw
Sabathia
Halladay
Verlander
Hamels
Weaver
Lince
Price
Lee
Hernandez

Right off my head

There are probably a few others who are close. Some guys who have struggled to stay healthy or with consistency. Beckett, Cain, Shields are all probably up there too now that I think about it.

I'm sure you'll start throwing around their ERA's but it just isn't a good stat. It doesn't include the enormous effects that park factors, team defense and competition have on a pitcher's numbers. In that regard, Gio Gonazlez is a pretty good not great pitcher.  


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