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Former manager questions Marlins' moves

Posted on: December 21, 2011 2:56 pm
Edwin Rodriguez

By C. Trent Rosecrans

Even before the Marlins signed Jose Reyes, the questions about Hanley Ramirez's willingness to move to third base were raised. And since Miami signed Reyes, those questions have remained unanswered.

There's been speculation, of course, but there's only been cryptic Twitter responses from Ramirez himself.

At this month's winter meetings in Dallas, Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen did his best to put aside the rumblings that Ramirez would refuse to move from shortstop and create a problem -- "I only care about what Hanley says on Feb. 20, when we start spring training," Guillen said earlier this month. "I mean, from now on, people can say whatever."

One of the people saying "whatever" is former Marlins manager Edwin Rodriguez, who spoke to MLB Network Radio on Wednesday about Ramirez and third base.

"I think it's going to be [a] very interesting situation to say the least," Rodriguez told Jim Memolo and Todd Hollandsworth (via the Sun Sentinel). "Knowing Hanley, he's a very proud player. It's going to be very hard for him to move out of shortstop. He's a big league shortstop. He's an All-Star shortstop. In my opinion I think they are going to have a tough time trying to convince him to move to third base. Even if he does that, move to third base, beginning of the season, I think it's going to be very interesting to watch how everything develops, how Reyes takes the front pages and how the people start talking about the All-Star shortstop Jose Reyes. It will be very interesting to see how Hanley will handle all that."

Rodriguez, also said he thought it was a mistake to sign Reyes instead of using that money to increase the offer to Albert Pujols.

That said, Rodriguez, who will manage in the Indians' minor-league system next year, said he believed the Marlins were approaching Ramirez's move the right way and if Ramirez buys in, it would be a successful move.

Ramirez backed Rodriguez before the Marlins replaced him with Jack McKeon.

Ramirez will be 28 on Friday, which is the same age Alex Rodriguez was when he traded from Texas to the Yankees. As good as Ramirez is, he's not as good as Rodriguez or as good defensively as Reyes. At some point, you'd hope he'd just set aside his pride and play the position that gives his team the best chance to win. With Reyes on board, that's third base.

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Since: Oct 1, 2008
Posted on: January 3, 2012 8:43 am

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

If Ramirez gets traded it would probably be to a contender, so prospects would most likely be coming back--not a front line ML pitcher as someone suggested.  Much of the Marlin's success depends on Hanley returning to form this year in the 3 slot. 

Since: May 7, 2007
Posted on: December 27, 2011 7:57 pm

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

If Hanley's miserable, move him. He'd bring a lot in a trade.

Since: Jun 27, 2011
Posted on: December 25, 2011 8:38 pm

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

Reyes will spend plenty of time on the DL so HanRam will play SS most of the time anyway.

Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 24, 2011 8:23 am

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

Hanley wont have to move to 3rd base.He'll be traded for a top of the line starting pitcher before the season starts.

Since: Apr 20, 2010
Posted on: December 23, 2011 11:18 pm

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

It's hard to disagree with you , but given the circumstance Ramirez moving to third makes the team better. Unless the Marlins are considering trading him , they should have used the Reyes money to get Pujols and then sign a mid level third baseman . 

Since: Apr 20, 2010
Posted on: December 23, 2011 11:09 pm

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

interesting scenarios. Having watched Reyes as a Mets fan its hard to disagree with your hammy theory. I'm thinking with a better trainer Reyes doesn't pull his hamstring as much . It's my opinion that the Mets training staff are a bunch of clowns, they've regularly made mistakes . As for Ramirez, I agree 100% with your position regarding the upside of his moving to third base. Not only will he be stronger later in the season, with Reyes setting the table for him his numbers will be unbelievable. there is another intangible you have to consider, Reyes is always smiling and has a great attitude i think he'll help Ramirez fulfill his potential. The most exciting thing I've seen at  the stadium is Reyes hitting a triple. he's pure energy.

Since: Apr 21, 2007
Posted on: December 22, 2011 2:12 pm

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

Ramirez should take the high road here 'cause it's win-win for him.

Scenario one: Reyes joins the club, provides a spark both offensively and defensively.  Overall team offense explodes in shiny new ballpark... fans come in droves.  Ramirez, now playing the less taxing position of 3rd base, becomes more than adequate with the glove after a (hopefully not-too-long) adjustment period, and sees less fatigue translate into even greater offensive accomplishments in an extraordinary season and wins the MVP.  Happy, happy, happy!!

Or - much more likely in my opinion - Scenario Two: Reyes pulls a hammy within his first two months on the team, and Hanley's back at shortstop anyway.

Since: Dec 22, 2011
Posted on: December 22, 2011 1:40 pm
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Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: December 22, 2011 10:57 am

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

Let's be very clear.  Hanley is an excellent offensive player that plays shortstop.  He is not a great shortstop.  In fact, he is a average to good shortstop.  He made all-star games because of his offense and no other reason.  I would be terrified to have him play 3B for me.

Since: Nov 6, 2010
Posted on: December 22, 2011 1:40 am

Former manager questions Marlins' moves

Uhhhhhh.....thats why you are the ex manager sir.

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