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Checking in on past products of posting system

Posted on: December 14, 2011 11:48 pm
 


By Matt Snyder


With Yu Darvish having been posted and the deadline to submit bids having passed, we now wait in anxious anticipation to see which team wins the honor to negotiate with the 6-foot-5 right-hander. Due to some of the past failures within the system, there seems to be a certain amount of stigma attached to paying so much money just to negotiate with a player. Let's check out the players who signed major-league contracts after going through the posting system and see how they fared.

Before we get to the players, though, let's clarify a few things. First of all, the posting system didn't begin until December of 1998. So Hideo Nomo, for example, was never posted. Also, not every single Japanese import since 1998 went through the system, either. Players who get to free agency in Japan become international free agents -- this is the route Hideki Matsui and Kosuke Fukudome, to name two, have taken. International free agents can sign with whatever MLB team they wish and have no posting fee paid to their former teams. And some players went through the posting system and either ended up signing minor-league contracts or not signing at all.

The following eight players did go through the posting process prior to last season and end up with a major-league contract. Let's look at each, chronologically.

(player, year posted, winning team, posting fee paid -- which does not include player salary)

Ichiro Suzuki, 2000, Mariners, $13.125 million
The 10-time All-Star won the MVP his first season in America. He's led the league in hits seven times and sports a career average of .326. He's become a franchise icon and could be headed to the Hall of Fame despite not playing in America until he was 27. So, yeah, this one worked out just fine.

Kaz Ishii, 2002, Dodgers, $11.26 million
The left-handed pitcher lasted just four seasons, with control being a major problem. Ishii led the majors with 106 walks his rookie year and then offered up 101 and 98, respectively the next two seasons. He ended with a 39-34 record, 4.44 ERA and 1.53 WHIP in his MLB career.

Akinori Otsuka, 2003, Padres, $300,000
This couldn't have turned out much better for the Padres. Not only did Otsuka post a sparkling 1.75 ERA, 1.06 WHIP and 87 strikeouts in 77 1/3 innings in 2004, but he was also a valuable member of the 2005 playoff NL West champs. Then, the Padres traded him to the Rangers with Adam Eaton in a move that landed both Adrian Gonzalez and Chris Young (the pitcher). That's a pretty nice return for originally posting less than the current league minimum salary.

Shinji Mori, 2005, Rays, $750,000
The relief pitcher tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder and missed all of the 2006 season. He was then released by the Rays and returned to Japan, having never appeared in a major-league game.

Daisuke Matsuzaka, 2006, Red Sox, $51,111,111.11
Yes, "Dice-K" has been awful for the past three seasons and is now trying to recover from an injury. He might never be a valuable member of a rotation again, but he's still only 31 and did produce for two seasons. He finished fourth in Rookie of the Year voting in 2007, also pitching well in winning Game 3 of the World Series (which the Red Sox would sweep). Then in 2008, Dice-K went 18-3 with a 2.90 ERA and finished fourth in AL Cy Young voting. So, yeah, he's been really bad the past three years, but to call him a complete and utter bust would be a stretch. Over the duration of his deal, he's definitely been way overpaid, but was still valuable for two seasons.

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Akinori Iwamura, 2006, Rays, $4.5 million
He was helpful for two seasons for the Rays, including when he was the starting second baseman on the 2008 American League champions. He hit .281 with a .354 on-base percentage during his Rays' career, but he lost his job in 2009 to Ben Zobrist and then fizzled in 2010 for both the Pirates and A's. Iwamura was released by the A's at the end of the season.

Kei Igawa, 2006, Yankees, $26,000,194
If you want to find a colossal waste of money in the posting system attached to a gigantic bust, this is the guy you're looking for. He's far more a "bust" than Dice-K. In 16 major-league appearances, Igawa went 2-4 with a 6.66 ERA (which just looks eerie, no?) and 1.76 WHIP. And get this, Igawa hadn't pitched in the majors since 2008, yet still made $4 million from the Yankees this past season as he played out the duration of his five-year contract. The left-handed pitcher appeared in four Triple-A games and 16 Double-A games. And the Yankees paid more than $45 million total for him. Wow.

Tsuyoshi Nishioka, 2010, Twins, $5.329 million
It was a season to forget for the skinny middle infielder. Nishioka broke his leg during the first series as Nick Swisher took him out on a potential double-play turn. When Nishioka healed up and came back, he was one of the worst offensive players in the majors, hitting .226/.278/.249. He was so bad, in fact, that the Twins went out and signed Jamey Carroll to be the everyday shortstop while Alexi Casilla will play second. So the posting fee and $9.25 million contract (which is a three-year deal) is for a backup that they definitely never want stepping in the box for any important at-bats. That's money not-very-well spent.

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Since: Jun 13, 2011
Posted on: December 17, 2011 5:11 am
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

How could we forget about Hideki(sp?) Irabu?  He was so bad, and ladeled such a large salary, fans were pronouncing his last name "I Rob You."


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Since: Dec 16, 2011
Posted on: December 16, 2011 11:37 am
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Since: May 25, 2007
Posted on: December 16, 2011 8:50 am
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

Hideo Nomo had a few great seasons when he first came over from japan.  Yu has much better numbers, and a size advantage.  I like the idea of that Rogers/Jays posting high on him and offering a contract of about 4 years for 50 million.  It would still be twice the salary he made in japan annually as the highest paid player there.  Doesnt cost anything in draft picks or prospects.  Since I'll never get to spend the rogers money myself, might as well have them spend it and take on shot on Yu.     



Since: Dec 15, 2010
Posted on: December 16, 2011 5:09 am
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

xbomberx..the answer is you



Since: Jan 6, 2007
Posted on: December 16, 2011 2:00 am
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

Considering that Toronto is owned by Rogers Communications, which provides TV, Internet, and Wireless communication across Canada, I have a feeling that there will be some big money broadcasting contracts between the Jays and Japan. Toronto might pay $50 Million as a posting bid, but Rogers will make that back with broadcasting deals with the Japanese, and maybe much more. Considering that those deals will be signed and in place before the season starts, its hardly taking a chance or playing the lottery, it ensures that no matter what Darvish does, the Jays wont be losing money.



Since: May 17, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2011 8:25 pm
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

The Igawa signing is still another example of how the Yankees can take this kind of gamble and escape with only embarrassment.






Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: December 15, 2011 7:10 pm
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

Paying posting fees of millions for Japanese players, just for the opportunity to pay them more millions in contracts, is ridiculously foolish.
I agree that it is a foolish and taken a very big risk, Think of it as team playing the lottery. Sometimes you lose, sometimes you win and if the team is lucky you hit Jackpot. It should be Interesting who will win the right to try to sign Yu Darvish



Since: Jul 23, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2011 7:05 pm
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

What about Hideki Matsui...productive member of the Yankees line up, including a World Series MVP (ending an 8 year drought in NY)?



Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: December 15, 2011 4:49 pm
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

Ichiro is the exception, not the rule.

It's no coincidence that failed MLB players go to Japan and succeed, ALL THE TIME.

There ARE MLB quality players in Japan, but the average player there equates to double-A here. No wonder 6'5 Yu Darvish "dominates" those 172 lb. double-A quality hitters. He won't fare as well facing MLB hitters after the scouting report on him has gotten around.  

Paying posting fees of millions for Japanese players, just for the opportunity to pay them more millions in contracts, is ridiculously foolish.



Since: Mar 9, 2007
Posted on: December 15, 2011 4:43 pm
 

Checking in on past products of posting system

So who's gonna be next to hang themselves in disgrace, Matsuzaka or Igawa?


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