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Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

Posted on: December 9, 2011 9:19 am
 


By C. Trent Rosecrans


What if players were only permitted to stay with the team that originally made them a professional? No trades, no Rule-5 Draft, no minor or major league free agency ... once you are a professional baseball player, you stay in that organization. This series shows how all 30 teams would look. We give you: Homegrown teams. To view the schedule/past entries of this feature, click here.

The Phillies recently doled out $50 million to Jonathan Papelbon and last year gave Cliff Lee $120 million -- make no mistake, the Phillies are a large-market club using its money to lure top free agents. They've also sent prospects to get Roy Halladay in recent years, so there's been enough talent in the system to lure other teams into making big trades. This team knows what it wants and goes and get it -- by any means necessary. In this exercise, that's not possible. The Phillies, in this hypothetical, aren't the prohibitive favorite they were for the majority of 2011, but they're hardly the Cubs.

Lineup

1. Michael Bourn, CF
2. Jimmy Rollins, SS
3. Chase Utley, 2B
4. Ryan Howard, 1B
5. Scott Rolen, 3B
6. Marlon Byrd, LF
7. Domonic Brown, RF
8. Carlos Ruiz, C

Starting Rotation

1. Cole Hamels
2. Gavin Floyd
3. Vance Worley
4. Randy Wolf
5. Brett Myers

Bullpen

Closer - Ryan Madson
Set up - Antonio Bastardo, Alfredo Simon, Brad Ziegler, Michael Stutes, Kyle Kendrick
Long - J.A. Happ

Notable Bench Players

Nick Punto can play a ton of positions, but, well... There's also Pat Burrell and Jason Jaramillo, which may not be deepest bench.

What's Good?

The lineup -- when healthy -- is still pretty darn good. The rotation, while not exactly the historic rotation that the Phillies rolled out in 2011, is nothing to sneeze at and the bullpen is deep and talented. There's a bit to like here in all aspects of the game.

What's Not?

The health question, and age, are huge here. Utley, while still a very good player when he's on the field, he's had a multitude of injuries. Rolen played in just 65 games last season (for the Reds). Brown has yet to establish himself as an everyday player, but he is talented. And then there's the bench, which has Punto to play every position, but not much else. 

Comparison to real 2011

This team may be in the wild card race, but there's no way it finishes 102-60.  That said, there's a chance it could compete for the NL East title (even though I do love the Braves chances in this exercise). The starting pitching isn't as good, but the bullpen has enough arms to keep things close. There's also so depth that's not listed on this roster in guys like Kyle Drabek, Carlos Carrasco and Josh Outman that aren't going to wow you, but certainly help depth-wise and could play a role as a spot starter or in the bullpen in the course of a long season. The Phillies may buy some players, but they've also developed enough to stay competitive.

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Comments

Since: Jul 9, 2007
Posted on: December 13, 2011 5:52 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

Gio was actually drafted by the Chicago White Sox



Since: Oct 26, 2010
Posted on: December 13, 2011 3:20 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

You left out Gio Gonzalez, whom the Phils traded along with Gavin Floyd for Freddy Garcia.  He'd be the #2 - #3 starter on this staff.



Since: Dec 28, 2009
Posted on: December 10, 2011 5:23 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

The homegrown lineup scenario is fun to look at...but unrealistic.  While it is very good, it is not quite good enough which is the reason for various trades and high-priced free agent signings.  Scott Rolen would have looked good at third but the reason he isn't here anymore is that he demanded a trade when we had him and tried to lock him up with a long-term contract.  Given the roster we could have had if we stood pat and the roster we now have, I'll take our current roster. 



Since: Oct 23, 2011
Posted on: December 10, 2011 4:48 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

Randy Wolf and Brett Meyers...wow there are two pitchers who won't see anything related to Cy Young.  Hey Philly, Wilson just got away to the Angels.  Kyle Drabek and Carlos Carrasco...Cy Young has an unlisted phone number for you guys.  Why not spend the money on Pujols Philly, move Rolen down and put Utley at 5 then Pujols could have been before or after Howard.  That's right Pujols is gone too.  So you aren't the pretend Yankees West anymore, the Angels are.  Information update:  St. Louis ain't that bad without Pujols and Philly you are one good 20 game winner from being in this thing or a Prince...
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you don't understand what's going on here.




Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2011 3:29 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

I like Homegrown scenarios. For example, this homegrown team could handle the Homegrown Yankees over and over again in a 7-game series. 



Since: Oct 1, 2010
Posted on: December 10, 2011 3:17 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

OLD



Since: May 17, 2007
Posted on: December 10, 2011 1:13 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

I still wonder why you trot out these homegrown lineups and make sure you caveat everything by saying health is an issue.

Duh. If Babe Ruth had been hurt in 1927, then what?

If Cy Young had missed half his starts, a lot of guys would have more wins.

Leave off the injuries part, Rosecrans ... it only makes this series less useful. Of COURSE injuries will affect a lineup.





Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: December 10, 2011 12:02 pm
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

Hey SFFAN, the Angels will choke, and then people can start talking to you about how money doesn't win championships...chump!
The Angels have a lot of home grown talent do they not? 


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Since: Dec 10, 2011
Posted on: December 10, 2011 10:33 am
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Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: December 10, 2011 9:22 am
 

Homegrown Team: Philadelphia Phillies

Hey SFFAN, the Angels will choke, and then people can start talking to you about how money doesn't win championships...chump!



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