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Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

Posted on: November 17, 2011 11:15 am
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Minute Maid Park

By C. Trent Rosecrans

The Astros' move to the American League is proving to be none-too-popular in Houston, and one local lawyer says the move violates the team's lease agreement with the Harris County Houston Sports Authority.

Kevin W. Yankowsky told the Houston Chronicle that the move would violate Article 5, Section 5.1 of the least, and I'll let Steve Campbell of the Chronicle do the explaining here:

Article 1, Section 1.1 of the lease states that all capitalized terms in the lease have meanings assigned in a glossary of defined terms. One of the key provisions, Yankowsky said, comes in Article 5, Section 5.1 defining “Permitted Uses” of Minute Maid as including “exhibition, presentation and broadcasting of Baseball Home Games and activities related thereto.”

The Glossary of Defined Terms classifies “Baseball Home Games” as “any major league baseball game in which the Team as the host Team for its opponent (i.e. the Team takes the field in the first half of each inning and bats in the last half of each inning of such baseball game).” Team, as defined by the Glossary, is “the major league baseball team owned by the tenant pursuant to the rights granted to it as a National League franchise under the Franchise, currently named the Houston Astros Baseball Club.” Franchise, as defined in the lease, is “the Team issued by the National League.”

“In the simplest form, what this means, in my judgment, is come opening day of 2013, the Sports Authority can refuse to let them play because it’s not a permitted use of the stadium,” Yankowsky said. “They can quite simply lock the doors and say, ‘No, it’s not a permitted use.’ The play of Major League Baseball games, by definition, are limited to games in which a National League team is the home team.”

Of course, without the Astros, what would the city do with Minute Maid Park? It's an interesting protest for sure, but don't look for it to come to anything. Astros fans will just have to appreciate every Bud Norris at-bat while they still can.

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Since: Jan 6, 2008
Posted on: November 18, 2011 12:08 am
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

As a Tiger fan who has already had his team moved from the American League East while an expansion team, no disrespect to Blue Jay fans, now takes its place, I would feel very disconnected from the teams now fighting with my team for a playoff spot. I would be upset for a long time, a very long time! This is a travesty for Astro fans, I hope they go into their new division and knock the crap out of them.


Thanks for the well wishes. The Astros went through a similar change with the realignment back in the 90's.  We lost the old division foes of the Braves, Giants, Dodgers and Padres, but kept the Reds.  We still play those other teams just not in our division.  Pretty soon we won't even have that.





Since: Jan 6, 2008
Posted on: November 18, 2011 12:01 am
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

I think you know what I meant.  The Tigers are your foes from the old days of the AL East and while they are no longer in your division you still at least play them regularly. My point is that the Astros are now going to be playing a bunch of teams with whom they have no history and the games won't be the same. It is going to take years to build any kind of rivalry from scratch.

I know the Orioles have it tough going up against the behemoths of the Yankees and Red Sox.  But why would you want to run away from those ancient rivals?  Part of being a fan is enduring the tough times, which makes it all that much sweeter when you can come back and beat those teams that have given you grief over the years.




Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: November 17, 2011 10:35 pm
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

As a Baltimore fan, wouldn't you suddenly feel displaced if your team were moved and instead of playing the Yankees, Red Sox and Tigers you now had as opponents the Padres, Giants and Diamondbacks?  Teams that you had no history with and that removed all connection to your entire baseball past? That's how Astros fans feel, and that is why we are upset.

As a Tiger fan who has already had his team moved from the American League East while an expansion team, no disrespect to Blue Jay fans, now takes its place, I would feel very disconnected from the teams now fighting with my team for a playoff spot. I would be upset for a long time, a very long time! This is a travesty for Astro fans, I hope they go into their new division and knock the crap out of them.



Since: Nov 17, 2011
Posted on: November 17, 2011 9:05 pm
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

interleague baseball is coming.  It isn't going to change the teams a fan sees.  It is going to add to the teams you see each year.  If you are in the AL East, maybe gives you a chance.  How many people have kids that still root for the local team?  We can talk baseball all hours of the day from a computer that sits in front of us, or watch any game we want on-demand TV.  Kids can't tell if it's a ball or strike from the upper deck or outfield.  I have Orioles season tickets at the left field foul pole.  Kids want to see runs!  It's not a ball unless the batter gets hit.  But a ball comes over that fence, wow, the game is real.  DH for the entire league and change it up!  Im tired of seein the Orioles at the bottom.  At least you Astros fans have tasted it lately, and have a chance in the near future.
 



Since: Nov 17, 2011
Posted on: November 17, 2011 8:48 pm
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

Number one, we don't play the Tigers.  Second, I would give anything to get back to baseball as it was when I was a kid and the O's had a chance (Brewers were there).  In an East vs. West MLB, there would be a better chance for the underdogs to rise.  I would play the Padres, Giants, D-Backs, Rockies, or Astros any day!  over 35 games a year against Yanks and Boston!  I would love to be in Houston's shoes with a new start.  Maybe the Astros have an owner that wants to win and is going to spend money!  Lets face it, the AL West is usually an open division.   
 



Since: Jan 6, 2008
Posted on: November 17, 2011 6:14 pm
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

I am tired of reading about the fans of Houston being upset!  I am a Baltimore fan!....There are going to be many late games on the west coast, but how many more great games are going to be played in Texas?
 


I don't think you understand the source of most Astros fans complaint.  The time zone is not a major factor.  I grew up watching the Astros play in the old NL West against the Padres, Giants and Dodgers, so west coast games are not a problem.

What is a problem is cavalierly tossing aside 50 years of rivalry and tradition. As I said I grew up an Astros fans watching games in the Astrodome.  I hated the Reds and especially the Dodgers.  Later, as the Giants and Braves returned to prominence I learned to hate them too.  Those games meant a lot to me then, and those memories mean a lot to me now.

As a Baltimore fan, wouldn't you suddenly feel displaced if your team were moved and instead of playing the Yankees, Red Sox and Tigers you now had as opponents the Padres, Giants and Diamondbacks?  Teams that you had no history with and that removed all connection to your entire baseball past? That's how Astros fans feel, and that is why we are upset.





Since: Jan 6, 2008
Posted on: November 17, 2011 5:48 pm
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

Guess what? No matter what team moves to the AL, there are going to be some fans that disagree with the decision. You can't make all the people happy all the time.


You are right about that.  So how about making an honest, concerted effort to minimize the damage?  Instead of picking a team that has been in the National League for its entire 50 year existence, why not pick a team that has been in the NL only since 1998, and was in the American League for 27 years prior to that?  Or how about the team whose move to the NL in 1998 created the very same situation that now has to be "fixed"?

Barring that, how about moving the Astros to the NL West and moving a team that has only been in existence since 1993 or 1998?  Yeah it would suck for the Diamondbacks or Rockies, but everywhere else seniority counts for something. Why not here?




Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: November 17, 2011 5:03 pm
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

I have been an Astros fan for over 30 years but that will end once they announce them moving to the AL.  That is not real baseball and should not have been a stipulation of the sale.  Brewers should go back where they came from but Bud wouldn't do that to his family!   MLB needs to get rid of the DH and just make all divisions regionally based.  What sense is it to have AL and NL when they have interleague play?



Since: Jul 30, 2009
Posted on: November 17, 2011 4:54 pm
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

How can changing to the AL make you give up on your team because of media coverage?  Is there a seperate NL/AL media?

I'm more concerned about drinking beer and talking to locals then listening to some clueless guy babble about the same team stuff day in and day out on the East Coast. 




Since: Nov 17, 2011
Posted on: November 17, 2011 4:42 pm
 

Astros fans unhappy with move to AL

I agree that the Rockies and D-Backs are less storied, but they aren't in the central.  The Astros are starting over.  This creates a great Texas rivalry!  Everything is far away from Texas.  This should just be a stepping stone to one single league!  The DH is going to happen across the board, people want to see Home runs.  Cut the league in half, East and West, 15 East and 15 West.  Play 150 regular season games a year.  Then a bracket system, with revenue sharing!


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