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Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Posted on: November 11, 2011 2:19 pm
Edited on: November 11, 2011 3:44 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

Jonathan Papelbon is going to be changing organizations for the first time in his professional career. He has agreed in principle to sign with the Phillies for a four-year contract that approaches $50 million, pending a physical, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com. The deal was first reported by Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com.

Earlier this week, reports surfaced that the Phillies had agreed to a deal with incumbent closer Ryan Madson, but that situation fell apart, and several reports later this past week indicated the deal was never fully agreed upon and that the earlier reports jumped the gun. And when things started to fall apart, the Phillies shifted their focus to Papelbon.

Papelbon, 30, is a four-time All-Star and a much more established closer, with 219 career saves (to Madson's 52). The two pitchers are very similar in age (Papelbon is just under two months younger), but, again, Papelbon has a lot more experience as the ninth-inning guy.

Last season, Papelbon saved 31 of 34 chances with a 2.94 ERA, 0.93 WHIP and 87 strikeouts in 64 1/3 innings. A move to the NL should help a bit, though the NL East should prove to be pretty tough next season.

As for Madson, he's left looking elsewhere, as he's surely looking for a closer's job and several teams are seeking an established closer. 

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Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 14, 2011 2:29 pm
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

One more thing, b8b.  I really couldn't say whether or not the Tigers were "just as good as any team in baseball", as you claim. All that mattered finally is that at the end they didn't play as well as some other teams--just as the Phillies didn't, just as the Yankees didn't.  Before the regular season ended (and once the Giants had fallen out of contention), the Cardinals were the one potential playoff team that I didn't want the Phillies to have to face. Turned out I was right. Whether the Cards were better or not doesn't matter--they played better.
And one more thing, that I should have said to you much earlier: Why do you keep complaining to me about the "four aces" hype and any other hype that you perceive to have been coming from Phillies phans or posters?  If you have a problem with what any of my colleagues have been saying, take it up with them, not with me.



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 14, 2011 2:09 pm
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

I will now ignore anything you say
Is that a promise?
the Phillies have won 2 Championships in 80 years,they lost To the Yankees in 09
And your point is what?
And what difference does it make now whom they lost to in '09--or whom the Yanks lost to in '08?, or whom either of them lost to in '10?
we don't get to play horrible teams like the Mets and Nats,
Of course not.  Just the Orioles, right? 
And as a matter of fact, you do play the Mets some games every year, don't you?
More importantly, if you think the level of the Phils' competition is so low, then why do you think it should have surprised anyone that they didn't go all the way?  After all, according to your logic, why should they even have been expected to do well in the playoffs (where there were no Mets, Nats, or Orioles)?  And yet you say they "choked"--when according to your own twisted logic they couldn't reasonably be expected to do well in the first place.  You really should stop contradicting yourself.
Of course your logic isn't my logic.  You seem to be among those folk that believe that every team that loses must have "choked".  In every series, one team wins and the other loses.  The Phillies didn't play their best, obviously, and they got nosed out by a team that was playing at its best--and which then proceeded to go all the way, knocking off the club that beat the club that beat you.  Will the club have some work to do to see that that's not repeated?  Of course.  So will 28 other clubs--most of whom will have more work to do than we will. 
So you're accomplishing nothing by tossing insults around, either at the Phillies or thei
r fans.

Now--do you really promise not to respond? 



Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: November 14, 2011 7:05 am
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

What about BRIAN WILSON who had 16 more saves than PAPALCHOKE the past 2 seasons.
That is the nature of the business of baseball.  Brian Wilson had his arbitration years bought out before the 2010 season, before his value went up.  Because he agreed to the extension, he can't get paid his full value unless the team extends him again and even then he won't see that until 2013.  If he doesn't get the contract extension, he hits free agency in 2013 and when he does he most certainly will get a top notch closer salary. 

This is what happens very often in baseball, guys go years before they get paid their full value because they get paid their arbitration salaries, or they have them bought out before their value rises even further.  Look at Cole Hamels and all of his achievements and success, and yet he has been underpaid for 3-4 seasons now. 


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Since: Aug 3, 2011
Posted on: November 14, 2011 12:10 am
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Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 13, 2011 9:59 pm
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

Clarification to my last post: My reference to the Phillies outscoring the Cardinals probably should have made clear that the Phils outscored them over the full series, not (obviously) in Game 5.  (Just in case there's anyone present to whom that was not obvious.)



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 13, 2011 9:22 pm
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

The last 3 years all we have heard is with 4 aces and their offense how could they lose.
Wrong facts again, b8b.  The "four aces" stuff was only for this past season.  I don't know where you came up with 3 years in connection with that.
The Phillies are a JOKE . . . they have no backbone . . .a team of CHOKERS.

And you're the one who complains about people "talking tough", eh?  Whatever.  But gee, b8b, if the 2011 Phillies were terrible, what does that say about the 2011 Yankees, who won fewer games in the regular season and then went out in the same playoff round the Phils did?  And in fact--unlike the Phillies--lost to a team that didn't even make it to the World Series, let alone win it? 
As for the Phillies, they got nosed out by one run in Game 5 of a best-of-five series despite outscoring the other team.  Disappointing, but that's what can happen in a short series.  (Your team found that out also, right?)
And think about it, b8b.  If the Phillies were as big a joke as you like to think, wouldn't you think that signing a nice closer would be one thing they should do?  Please stop tying yourself up in rhetorical knots.

how did the EAGLES DO TODAY
I dunno, how did they do?  And why are you changing the subject again?  This is a baseball thread.  Get a grip, and keep to the subject.



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 13, 2011 8:57 pm
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

You are right.I meant to say the wildcard races went down to the wire.
Sorry, b8b, I didn't notice your 6:20 post when I posted my last one; I was responding to your next one.  (See, I have no problem admitting my little mistakes.)  More comment on your 6:20 in a moment . . .



Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: November 13, 2011 8:47 pm
 

Phillies reach agreement with Papelbon

How many division races went down to the wire this year, b8b? Zero? One? Or are you still stickin' with six, as you've posted, as one of those people who just can't admit a factual mistake?  Haven't you figured out yet that you can't divert my attention--or anyone else's with any brains--merely by changing the subject?  

Nevertheless, having now challenged your silly assertion for the umpteenth time because you failed to explain yourself, I'll feel free to humor you by responding to some of your other stuff.  (But don't worry.  I've copied that part of your original post for future use.)

It makes sense when you look at the amount of money the Phillies are putting out for him. Rivera WAS the highest paid closer prior to this signing. Mo is the only other closer you can compare Papelbon to from a $ value. Skill wise there is no comparison

That just pretty much copies another poster's earlier argument--to which I've already replied. You may enjoy wasting everyone's time by such repetitions, but I won't. Instead, see my replies to NESportsouth, from whom you copied it.

It truly amazes me how many tough guy sit behind their computers talking tough.
Talking about yourself again, I see?  Don't see anyone else here who's been calling his antagonist "dumb", "stupid", and other "tough" nicknames.  Trust me, b8b, the other posters here will decide for themselves which of us, if either, is dumb or stupid or "talking tough".  Neither of our opinions on that is going to influence them one way or the other, so why bother? 


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Since: Aug 3, 2011
Posted on: November 13, 2011 6:33 pm
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brian8ball
Since: Aug 3, 2011
Posted on: November 13, 2011 6:20 pm
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