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Report: Epstein accepts 5-year deal with Cubs

Posted on: October 12, 2011 10:12 am
Edited on: October 13, 2011 10:23 am
By Matt Snyder

We have yet another step toward what appears to be the inevitable. Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein is still under contract with the team through 2012 and nothing is official yet, but with each passing minute, it becomes more apparent he's going to be the Cubs next GM.

The latest is that he has agreed to a five-year, $15 million deal with the Cubs, per This report states the deal will be finalized by the end of the week and that the Cubs have not yet decided on a title for Epstein. It also notes the final holdup in negotiations: Compensation for the Red Sox, which will likely be some combination of money and prospect(s).

The Boston Globe is reporting
Epstein has accepted the offer and that while it's still possible for Epstein to change his mind, it's a near-certainty that he's off to Chicago. The Globe also adds that, as expected, Red Sox assistant GM Ben Cherington is expected to be named Epstein's replacement in Boston.

Taking in the entire buzz from reporters on Twitter Tuesday night, expect Epstein to be named something like President and CEO. Compensation is reportedly going to be one or two prospects, maybe even high-level ones, but no major-league players.

Epstein to Cubs?
Epstein, 37, was named the Red Sox general manager after the 2002 season. Under his watch, the Red Sox won the World Series in 2004 and 2007 after previously having not won it since 1918. Epstein grew up in the Northeast and attended Yale University, so he had ties to the Boston area anyway, but recent reports have indicated he might be looking for a new challenge.

The Cubs offer up that challenge. Not only have the Cubs not won the World Series since 1908, but the franchise doesn't appear close to being competitive right now, with a bad major-league product and not much more in the organizational pipeline. Then again, there is more than $50 million in salary coming off the books this season and even more coming off after next season. With a rabid fan base desperately seeking a title and lots of resources at hand, Epstein could very well become the man who broke two alleged curses (first, the Bambino, second, the Billy Goat).

This is still not a done deal, but it would be pretty shocking if it fell apart now. Things have progressed to a point where Epstein seems sealed and delivered to Wrigley Field.

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Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: October 13, 2011 5:52 pm

Report: Epstein accepts 5-year deal with Cubs

This is a team that says they practice sabermetrics, statistical analysis, and Carmen, their computer generating guru of Darth Vader and what have we come up with.  A team of millionaires that can't bunt,

Not bunting is the VERY DEFINITION of Sabermetrics.  For better or worse, that line of thinking is that you almost never trade bases for outs.  Most of the statistical analysis supports a theory that outs are only thing is baseball that you have a finite amount of (excepting extra innings), and so treat them like gold.  That's why you take walks, not just because it gets a guy on base, but because every time you go up to bat and don't make an out you are contributing to the cause.   Also, not just Bill James and the Billy Beene lot, but see how many times Earl Weaver called a bunt in his career.

Since: Nov 19, 2010
Posted on: October 13, 2011 3:00 pm

Report: Epstein accepts 5-year deal with Cubs

Mr Snyder, do you remember writing ?

The best guess is Ricketts has taken the possibility of a home-run hire off the table, which only makes the 100-plus years of futility more likely to continue.
Remind me never to take you to Vegas, Mr Snyder.

Since: Jul 29, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 7:01 pm

Report: Epstein accepts 5-year deal with Cubs

Theo!  Theo!  Theo - why are you running away.  You set up this mess with these screwed up free agent signings and your drafts have been overrated.  But I have a problem!  Not with your signings!  Not with running away from the problems that you were part of creating.  I have a problem because YOU LIED!  You said The Red Sox weren't a SOAP OPERA.  Not only were they a soap opera they were the most disfunctional team in, my opinion, the history of baseball.  Now you're off to Chicago.  You're going to help that team end it's jinx.  Karma only happens once.  Good luck with the goat.  Hope he doesn't bite you in the rear end!  Good Riddance!  I would have had absolute respect for you if you told the truth about the problems with The Red Sox.  But you didn't!  You have no cohones!  Just another rich baseball b---- who thinks he's better than everyone one else!

Since: Oct 5, 2007
Posted on: October 12, 2011 6:45 pm

Report: Epstein accepts 5-year deal with Cubs

Anyone can be a GM when there's an open checkbook!  Love or hate the Yankees (I'm a hater), but they always seem to have a solid minor league system, something Boston and the Cubs are currently without.  Good luck you little self centered/overpaid SOB, you are going to need it!!!

Since: Nov 10, 2006
Posted on: October 12, 2011 6:23 pm

Report: Epstein has 5-year deal with Cubs

It is interesting, it really is when you disect this whole soap opera.  Personally, and, obviously it is just a guess, I don't think Epstein and Lucchino really liked each other.  I think John Henry was tired of the end results the past two seasons.  I was calling for both Francona's and Epstein's head two years ago.  I did not not agree at all with the decision to sign Lackey.  His track record in the weak AL West was abysmal in Fenway and against the other AL East teams. Priot to that, you sign Julio Lugo for double what anyone was offering and you begin to see a pattern, along with the JD Drew deal.  I like Drew, but he wasn't worth $72 million, maybe $40 because he misses a third of the games.
I don't even want to discuss Johnny Damon.  In my eyes, he will always be a traitor.  He wasn't satisifed with $40 milllion after he had already earn almost $100, 000,000  in his career.  He had to be as greedy as those Wall Street excutives and go for the extra $ green,  How much money does one need?  Plus he couldn't break a plane of glass with his throwing arm and the New York inflated his numbers with the short porch.  I don't criticize the Crawford deal, because I think he just pressed to much early and it snowballed.  Look at the stats, he never had a bad year in Tampa.   This guy is genuine and good.  Team him up with Ellsbury and theres 100 Sbs, easily.  Why didn't we sign Victor Martinez last year?  That was a real bone head move.  He is playing DH, primarily with the Tigers and hit 340 with men in scoring position.  He could spell a developing catcher, and hell knows, it must have frozen over, because Papi hustles down the line like an overwieght snowman.  I don' t give a rat's ass about his numbers.  He sets a bad example on how the game should be played.

Eptein's crew never did a very good job of scouting and drafting.  When was the last legitimate power hitting outfielder?  I go all the way back  (not counting this year's Ellsbury) to Lynn and Rice.  When was the last great catching prospect?  Go back to Carlton Fisk.  Outside of soem decent pitchers here and their, Clemens, Hurst, Schiiling (drafted by Boston), Lester, Papelbon, and Bard, the cupbard is bare.  I am going back to 1985.  THe % of successes is not very good over the long haul for this organization.  Hell, we had more great drafted, homegrown, players on that 1975-78 teams, than all the years after.

Then Francona.   This is a team that says they practice sabermetrics, statistical analysis, and Carmen, their computer generating guru of Darth Vader and what have we come up with.  A team of millionaires that can't bunt, drink in the clubhouse, are way overpaid.  Bill James is an author on statistics, not a statistical wizard.  MY Little League manager taught our team to bunt, hit and run, hustle 100% of the time, play good defense, be thinking of your next play whether in the field or on the basepaths.  Francona managed like a manequin.  Remember, Don Zimmer averaged 95 wins when he was run out of town.  So Francona isno genius, in fact he was subterranean when he came to managing. leave Lackey in for 3 innings and 9 runs.  What does that do for your morale if your seeing this night in and night out.  17 attempts to get Wakefield his 200th win at the sacrafice of possibly 5 victories.

Then we get the negative media comments by Papi against Francona, Youkilis against Ellsbury last year, allegedly, fatso Beckett and friends kegging it up in the clubhouse, when they should be on the bench supporting their teammates.  IN the English language, this is called chaos.

I thought with Theo's last contract he was averaging the same money.  He really have must to have want to leave his hometown team.  I couldn't do it, if offered the opportunity.  THings must have been much worse as reported.  I look at Tampa Bay, low priced superstars.  A team where everyone can bunt and sacrafice the individual numbers for the good of the team.  Low payroll, but year after year they lose key players and yet have a farm system that has stockpiled them for years.  Maybe we need to cut our budget to get more production.  Maybe we need to draft better and get hungrier players.  Maybe what is in the heart is what propels and individual and not what is in his bank account. 

It is not about the Yankees.  It is about our team.  We are a mess.  It is time to start over and truly build the foundation to a year after year playoff contending franchise.  Not a bunch of overpaid, overweight, disenchanted paycheck horders, who do not deserve our esteem.  They have plenty of ego to go around for thos of us who are not Major Leaguers, but know more about baseball than the so-called baseball people do.  John Henry, it is time for some tough love.  Are you afraid to try something new?  I keep seeing the status quo and no bang for your buck.  I tis a shame that a team filled with talent, wastes it, and is content doing so.  I have met many of the people I have mentioned in this article and the man that amazes me is Joe Maddon.  Tito and THeo are nice people, as I am sure the others are, but it is time to ressurect the foundation to this team and making major changes.  GOne are the malcontents, cut our losses.  Gone is major league style baseball, bring back Little league baseball, that is what Maddon has  done in Tampa, and maybe you'll earn the respect of the fans and the teams playing for you.  I, truly, am ashamed, for the first time in 47 years to say I am a Red Sox fan.  Especially, when I harken back to the years of Tony C, Yaz, Pudge, Roger (admit, an egomaniac), Dewey, the Boomer, The Hawk, Bill Lee, Bruce Hurst, Luis Tiant, etc.,  You catch my drift!  Fundamental baseball, team, and heart!!!!!!! Where has it all gone!

Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: October 12, 2011 6:13 pm

Report: Epstein has 5-year deal with Cubs

The Cubs haven't had any problem spending money, they just had problems doing it wisely. 
I have no problem with Boston making major changes at every level after what happened but I think the Cubs just signed themselves up for five more years of problems. Theo has been great at scouting and obtaining young prospects but virtually every big free agent signing he's made in his tenure been disastrous. Remember that most of the moves he made to put together the '04 team were via trade and bargain pickups in free agency, not overpaying a guy like Crawford by $60 freaking million. Because of the recent trend of rampant overspending for awful players, Boston is now saddled with a dysfunctional roster of spoiled, overpaid divas whose recently revealed clubhouse antics make the team look like the cast of a trashy reality TV show. I think the Cubs believe that they are getting a savior and that the magic from Theo's previous titles will somehow be transferred to them but he's been making big mistakes for the last several years and they finally caught up. As to any compensation the Sox will be getting, I say screw it. Boston should make the Cubs take John Lackey as part of the package or the deal is off.

Also, @ CafeRev

I'm very sorry that I've lost your respect as a fan. You seem quite knowledgable and articulate.

Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: October 12, 2011 6:09 pm

Report: Epstein has 5-year deal with Cubs

I think the question will be, how patient will Cub fans be? This is not a quick fix, and for that matter Epstein will be asked to fix a franchise that lost 90 games this past year. Also he needs to fix a minor league system which has poor talent. In other words he has to rebuild the franchise, pretty much from scratch. He has never done that before, so we'll see if he can do it.

Since: Aug 17, 2009
Posted on: October 12, 2011 6:00 pm

Report: Epstein has 5-year deal with Cubs

or maybe King of the Jews.

Since: Aug 17, 2009
Posted on: October 12, 2011 6:00 pm

Report: Epstein has 5-year deal with Cubs

They could call him top muckety muck.

Malcolm reX
Since: Oct 12, 2011
Posted on: October 12, 2011 5:51 pm
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