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Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Posted on: September 4, 2011 3:53 pm
Edited on: September 4, 2011 8:54 pm
 
Bryan Petersen
Charlie ManuelBy C. Trent Rosecrans

The Phillies finished Sunday's 5-4 loss to the Marlins in 14 innings under protest, following an instant replay review that may have cost the Phillies two runs in the sixth inning.

The protest came after umpire Joe West (who else?) used instant replay to review fans Hunter Pence double in the top of the sixth inning. After reviewing the play, Pence was called out on fan interference. Pence's ball was hit to right field, where Florida's Bryan Petersen lept to try to catch the ball, but instead a fan in a green shirt and another in a Phillies jersey and hat, leaned over the railing to try to catch the ball. The ball bounced off the fan in green's hand, just above Petersen's glove, then bounced off the outstretched hat and into the corner in right, giving Pence a double and allowing Ryan Howard to get to third.

As soon as West reviewed the play and announced Pence was out, Phillies manager Charlie Manuel argued and was ejected. In all, the delay lasted 13 minutes, with not only Manuel arguing, but also bench coach Pete Mackanin arguing it as well. Their argument was that fan interference isn't one of the approved uses of replay.

"If they wanted to see if it was for a defense play, I didn't think you could do that," Manuel told reporters (News Journal). "My understanding is that's not the rule." 

The fan clearly interfered with the ball, so ultimately it was the correct call. ESPN's Steve Berthiaume spoke with former Major League umpire Jim McKean, who told him that once the umpires decided to review whether it was a home run, the umpires could then use their judgement to rule on fan interference (Twitter).

According to the rule, the umpire can use his "sole discretion" in determining the use of replay, though Joe West told reporters the umpires were reviewing the home run (a charge Manuel denied), but that home plate umpire Chad Fairchild believed there was fan interference on the play. The second part of the matter was that the umpires ruled Pence out -- the Phillies outfielder didn't quite agree that Petersen was definitely making the catch.

"I'm going to say it's one of the best plays of the week if he makes it," Pence said (News Journal). 

Said Petersen: "I honestly don't know what happened. I thought I was going to catch the ball." (Sun-Sentinel)

The next Phillies batter after Pence, Raul Ibanez, doubled, which would have scored both Pence and Howard. Instead, after an intentional walk to load the bases, Wilson Valdez grounded into a double play to end the inning.

The Marlins then took the lead with a run in the bottom of the sixth inning with a run off of Roy Halladay.

Since the Phillies lost the game, Joe Torre will review the appeal. If Torre agrees the umpire erred, the game would be replayed from that at-bat -- but without Manuel, who was ejected. Here's a list of protested games that were later resumed, including, of course, the Pine Tar Game. No protest game has been replayed from the point of pretest since 1986 in a game between the Cardinals and Pirates.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 8, 2011 3:18 am
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

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Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: September 6, 2011 8:32 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Once again for you BLIND Philly fans, the Umpire got this call correct.  That outfielder was right on the ball and would have caught it no doubt about it.  Give the outfielder credit for being a professional and he had a beat on that ball until the fan interferred by, and I know this is hard for you to understand Philly fans, REACHING OVER the fence to touch the ball in play.  The right call was made and they also should have ejected those two fans for reaching over the fence.  Had one of those clowns hurt themselves they would be speaking with their attorney trying to sue the Marlins organization.  It was also good old hang belly Charlie Manual got tossed too.  He had no business on the field including his bench coach with his nose stuck in Manuel's a$$.  Manuel wasn't interested in the correct (AKA Fair Call) he was only interested in having the call go his team's way.   How stupid, "duh, yes the fans interferred but that is not an approved use of Instant Replay."  If I was Joe West when I heard that argument I would have tossed Manuel immediately.  Had the ball cleared the fence while a fan was touching it or not cleared the fence without a fan reaching over to touch it you would have an entirely different scenario but that is NOT what happened.  You want fair?  Don't ever ask a Phillies fan.  Just too damn ignorant.



Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: September 6, 2011 8:14 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Clawman,  If you had that much money on the game don't blame the Umpires blame yourself for being that dumb.  Oh, might want to try and earn a lving rather than trying to gamble for one.  The Umpires got this one right.



Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: September 6, 2011 8:11 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

, I asked what the correct call was?  Like all the other Philly fans you don't know either and no I am not a Yankees fan either.  The Yankee fans are bigger crybabies than Phillies fans are.




Since: Sep 5, 2011
Posted on: September 5, 2011 5:04 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

I keep reading posts along the lines of who cares, they will win their division anyway. Well, first off, I had $3800 (@-190) on the game so I care deeply. Secondly, it's the equivalent of an NFL coach challenging a first down play & the replay official coming out of the booth w/ a holding call he happened to notice. Unfair, unjust and completely needs to be fixed!



Since: Jun 7, 2010
Posted on: September 5, 2011 1:03 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Ok all, and the "cry me a river" jerk off.  Rules are rules.  They reviewed with 'wrong intent'.  It was not to see if it was a home run it was to see if the fan interfered as Peterson "asked".  Why else would Peterson argue unless the call on the field was a HOME RUN.  Otherwise (according to the rules) he should have kept his mouth closed because there (according to the rules) would not have been reason for a review.  West got caught (again) not knowing the rule book.

Pence had a hit taken from him which was not his fault.  Suppose this was Uggla going for number 57 and someone did this? Jeter going for his 3000 or any Yankee play for that matter.  A fan should not determine a players STAT.  It crapped up the flow of the game and should have been handled better if not differently. 



Since: Jun 28, 2009
Posted on: September 5, 2011 12:18 pm
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

Just saw play on MLB.  I'm not a big fan of changing the game at all, so no replays.  But the door has been opened and this is exactly what people were weary of...what if this happens, what if that happens... should replay be used and yesterday, it was.  The funny thing with yesterday's play was that even though it seems MLB procedure was not followed, it turns out, in the end, the right call was made.  Now in this particular situation with the Phillies and Marlins, there is not even a minor impact with the result of the game changing either way, so why are the Phillies protesting, its not gonna make a difference.  The difference must come from us the fans.  It seems many of us, do not want replay and we are sick and tired of these incompetent umpires.  That's it!  Let's get rid of the umps, automate officiating and we won't need instant replay.....



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: September 5, 2011 11:55 am
 

Phillies protest loss to Marlins

That's not the point.The umps blew it badly & I don't see how MLB can let this stand.It would open up the floodgates of replaying every close game & that would add time to the game.This is a brutal a bad call since they took that HR away from George Brett.


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