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Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

Posted on: August 26, 2011 2:13 pm
Edited on: August 26, 2011 2:16 pm
 
By Matt Snyder

MVP Debate
There's still more than a month left in the 2011 baseball season -- in which, yes, stats accrued actually count in MVP voting -- but that hasn't stopped rampant debate over who "deserves" to be the MVP, especially in the AL. Thus far, the names that seem to have the most traction in AL MVP debates are Jose Bautista, Justin Verlander, Curtis Granderson and a trio of Red Sox (Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Adrian Gonzalez). Many people want to automatically toss out Verlander due to him being a pitcher and others want to disqualify Bautista due to him playing for a "losing" team -- the Blue Jays have a winning record but aren't playoff-bound.

An interesting twist in the argument now is that Tigers manager Jim Leyland doesn't even believe his own candidate should win. On WXYT radio in Detroit, Leyland said the following (via Sports Radio Interviews):
“I have a different viewpoint than that. I think there should be a Most Valuable Pitcher and Most Valuable Player. I don’t think a pitcher should be the Most Valuable Player. I’m not looking for arguments or controversy I just think when a guy goes out there 158 times or 155 times and has a big year, an MVP type year I don’t think the guy that goes out there 35 times should be named over that guy. To me right now if you really wanted to look at it who is our Most Valuable Player? Is it Verlander or at this point today under all circumstances is it Alex Avila? You can make a case for what this kid has gone through. I’m certainly not taking anything away from Verlander and I’m not trying to change the voting I just think there should be a Most Valuable Pitcher and a Most Valuable Player. I think that will eliminate the talk about a pitcher being MVP.”
Now, let's remember: Leyland is an old-school guy. Also, these comments won't -- nor should they -- kill off the opinions of the supporters of Verlander-for-MVP. It's just interesting in that usually it seems like managers will argue for their guys. Obviously Leyland's not definitively arguing against Verlander's value to his ballclub, he just doesn't think pitchers should be able to win MVP and he's not alone.

Meanwhile, we still have more than four weeks left in the season.

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Since: Oct 7, 2011
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Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

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Since: Jul 3, 2010
Posted on: August 27, 2011 8:30 am
 

Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

Longoria......won't be this year for he missed an entire month.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: August 26, 2011 6:15 pm
 

Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

"redwings" you are the idiot. A guy that only gets into 35 games a year out of 162 ( 22%) doesn not even deserve mention as a most valuable player. Cy Young? Yes, that is where he is slated to apear. You need to get your head out of your arse and wise up pal. The pitchers have their award. 

Solid Gold.  Save my original post somewhere and when you learn how to read and comprehend to at least the level of a highschool student get back to me.   My post had very little if anything to do with whether or not a pitcher should be allowed to be MVP of the league.  My post had everything to do with a jerkoff for a manager Leyland opening his mouth when he shouldn't.  As the Tigers manager he shouldn't have said what he did.  He very easily could have told us what a great year Verlander is having and that it's rare for a pitcher to win that award. But to basically campaign against his own pitcher and then to make it worse say that Avila might be as much the Tigers MVP as Verlander is retarded to say the least. 

And no, I don't wanna hear from anybody how "honest" Leyland was being or that it's just his opinion or whatever else people have to say to his defence.  The bottom line is his job as a manager is to CAMPAIGN for his own players to get these awards, not to try and convince to voters to stay away from his players.  He had no business at all saying what he did and if I was Verlander and I was asked about Leyland's statements I would say something to embarass the hell out of him.  

Whether you people believe a pitcher should win MVP or not doesn't matter.  A manager should always, and I mean ALWAYS campaign for his own.  



Since: Nov 18, 2006
Posted on: August 26, 2011 3:53 pm
 

Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

"redwings" you are the idiot. A guy that only gets into 35 games a year out of 162 ( 22%) doesn not even deserve mention as a most valuable player. Cy Young? Yes, that is where he is slated to apear. You need to get your head out of your arse and wise up pal. The pitchers have their award. 



Since: Nov 18, 2006
Posted on: August 26, 2011 3:50 pm
 

Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

There is a "most valuable pitcher" award it's called the Cy Yound award. That is for pitchers. The MVP award should be for players. Real simple, The pitcher have there award the players should have theirs. Leyland is right about this one. Except he forgot that the pitcher have their award and it's called the Cy Young award.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: August 26, 2011 3:22 pm
 

Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

Regardless of what anybody's opinion is on this subject all I can say is Leyland is an idiot.  I don't like the guy, not one bit.  He sucks at managing pitchers, when there is a pitching mismatch going against the Tigers he practically forfeits the game playing alternates way too often.  He's ridiculously loyal to over the hill veterans and when he's being interviewed at times actually chews on his food as he speaks. 

And now something new.... a great pitcher on his team has a chance to win a very special award ( MVP) and he's asked about it he turns on his own player and suggests a pitcher shouldn't win it.  Some of you call that honesty, I call stupid and inconsiderate.  He's practically campaigning against his own player, a player that certainly is BY FAR the MVP of this team.  I think Avila is an excellent player, I love what the kid has done actually.  But to even suggest for one second that Alex Avila is even close to as important to the Tigers as Verlander is might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in my life.   If the Tigers were to trade Verlander today they could easily acquire at least 2 or 3 players of Avila's caliber.  Trade Avila today and you don't come close to acquiring a Verlander.

 



Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: August 26, 2011 3:07 pm
 

Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

I have a different viewpoint than that. I think there should be a Most Valuable Pitcher and Most Valuable Player. I don’t think a pitcher should be the Most Valuable Player. I’m not looking for arguments or controversy I just think when a guy goes out there 158 times or 155 times and has a big year, an MVP type year I don’t think the guy that goes out there 35 times should be named over that guy. To me right now if you really wanted to look at it who is our Most Valuable Player? Is it Verlander or at this point today under all circumstances is it ? You can make a case for what this kid has gone through. I’m certainly not taking anything away from Verlander and I’m not trying to change the voting I just think there should be a Most Valuable Pitcher and a Most Valuable Player. I think that will eliminate the talk about a pitcher being MVP

He's right. They have the Cy Young. Verlander should win it with Weaver finishing 2nd. The MVP is going to be close with A.Gonzalez, Ellsbury, Cano and Granderson all deserving of that honor. I believe Gonzo wins it.




Since: Jan 15, 2007
Posted on: August 26, 2011 2:22 pm
 

Leyland doesn't think Verlander should win MVP

they have that Leyland, it is called the "Cy Young". Surprised quite frankly you have never heard of it...


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