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Will the Marlins trade Hanley Ramirez?

Posted on: June 22, 2011 7:43 pm
Edited on: June 22, 2011 8:15 pm
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By Evan Brunell


You knew this question would have to be asked eventually. The Marlins, who are skidding deeper and deeper out of the playoff chase, could trade Hanley Ramirez, as Buster Olney of ESPN reports.

Olney says that several people inside the Marlins organization believe the club would be better off trading Ramirez. The 2006 Rookie of the Year threw up 29.9 Wins Above Replacement (WAR) between '06 and '10, which is the fourth-best tally over that time period behind Albert Pujols, Chase Utley and Matt Holliday. Ramirez is struggling in 2011 with a .206/.302/.299 line and a zero WAR -- meaning he's no better than a replacement player any team has lying around in the minors, but his slow start doesn't negate his talent. As a young shortstop who can do anything and everything on offense, Ramirez is a highly coveted player.

So why would the Marins entertain trading the main return in the deal that sent Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell to Boston?

The answer has to do with attitude, and to a lesser extent, defense.

Ramirez is not a popular player in the clubhouse, as the 27-year-old has constantly clashed with managers, fails to run at a competitive speed often and has been called out in the past by teammates, including veteran Wes Helms last season. Ramirez seems to march to his own tune, and unfortunately, it may be too late for him to be brought in line. The Marlins, thanks to owner Jeffrey Loria, are misers when it comes to the payroll and that naturally means far less veteran players (and voices in the clubhouse) are brought into the fold. Not only has Ramirez played on a perpetually young team, he's now one of the oldest starters and has Loria in his back pocket as a major fan who gifted Ramirez a diamond-studded necklace for winning the 2009 batting title with a .342 mark.

Maybe if veteran influences had gotten to Ramirez earlier, the story would be different. In his former home of Boston, it certainly would have been. Instead, it seems he took his mentor to be another Ramirez in Manny, who was a star for the Red Sox for years and showed Hanley and others that people will put up with almost anything as long as balls are being crushed. And now, trade or no trade, Ramirez is ensconced in his attitude and his way of playing the game. Whichever team acquires Ramirez will not have a model teammate on its hands along with a poor defender.

Ramirez's 29.9 WAR is calculated on the backing of everything a baseball player can possibly do between the lines that can be quantified. That's offense, baserunning and defense. That latter category is where Ramirez suffers greatly, as he has racked up -48 defensive runs saved (DRS) in his career. How bad is that?

Of all shortstops who played at least 650 innings from 2005 to the present (Ramirez is at 8,867 entering Wednesday's games), the righty is the fourth-worst defender in the game according to DRS. Derek Jeter is the worst, and it isn't even close, with 31 runs separating him from second place's Yuniesky Betancourt. Ten runs "better" is Michael Young, then Ramirez.

No matter how you slice it, Ramirez is brutal as shortstop and that won't change anytime soon, with Buster Olney saying that other team evaluators believe Ramirez is now too big to play shortstop. But really, he was never a good defender and really needs a move to third or center field, a prospect unlikely to happen in Florida for a variety of reasons.

Any team acquiring Ramirez with the intention of switching his position will have to worry about an unhappy player asked to move off the most athletic position on the field. A team will not want to deal with that distraction in-season, so any team looking to snag Ramirez by July 31 will have to do so with the idea of putting Ramirez at short moving forward. And not many teams are going to want to put a player hitting .206/.302/.299 at short for the rest of the year, even if Ramirez can and will turn it around.

So will the Marlins trade Ramirez?

Probably not during the season. And probably not during the offseason, either.

The Marlins, under Loria, have never paid a player $15 million. Ramirez would become the first player to be compensated as such under Loria if he remains in uniform next season, and is under contract for three more years after 2011. While the $15 million mark may not work in favor of Ramirez staying in town, the fact that he's tied up for three more years is. Florida has a bird in the hand with Ramirez, and won't be looking to give him away much like they were with Dan Uggla in the offseason.

The Marlins are also trying to head into 2012 with a strong team and a face of the franchise to build a new identity around. Florida will be moving into a new stadium, changing its name to the Miami Marlins, and debuting new team colors and uniforms. The Marlins were hoping Dan Uggla would be the face of the franchise upon the move, and acted very un-Marlinslike in offering him a four-year deal before blanching at his rejection and sending him to Atlanta for next to nothing. The Marlins need someone to build excitement heading into their new digs, and while Mike Stanton and Logan Morrison are certainly exciting, they're no Hanley Ramirez.

So no, Florida  won't trade Ramirez, at least not before the 2012 season. But after that, all bets are off.

This is the Marlins, after all.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 22, 2011 7:46 am
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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 5, 2011 3:25 pm
 

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Since: Apr 4, 2009
Posted on: August 23, 2011 3:32 pm
 

Will the Marlins trade Hanley Ramirez?

If this team knew what they were doing they would have never traded away Miguel Cabrera or Danny Uggla. And Uggla turned down the deal only because he wanted a 5 year deal, and wanted to negotiate which is normal but the Marlins front office bulked as soon as he came at them with a counter offer which was just 1 more standard year, and they sent him packing for NOTHING!

Infante is garbage, and Dunn is crap also.. They got nothing for 2 potential HALL OF FAMERS, and yet we are stuck with Hanley.

Please trade that turd away he's terrible, and you sent 2 great players we all love here in Miami away for nothing so might as well give the fans this one and trade Hanley who we all hate.

He's the most hated member of the team by the fans for many reasons... He's garbage.



Since: Jun 3, 2010
Posted on: June 23, 2011 12:12 am
 

Will the Marlins trade Hanley Ramirez?

APsFAJA is right, Hanely had an attitude problem in the minors, too. He may have been able to change once he hit the majors, or at least be told to hide it somewhat, but this is not something new.



Since: May 20, 2011
Posted on: June 23, 2011 12:00 am
 

Will the Marlins trade Hanley Ramirez?

dude your wrong.hanley had major attitude problem while on the farm with sox.boston allready had one ramirez with bad attitude and didnt need another.As for the marlins trading all there talent away the sure as hell do.granted there not all SUPERSTARS as you call them but they are quality playersbeckett,burnett,pavano,uggla,miggy,dempster,livan and thats just a few.nevermind when they won there first WS and dismantled the whole team right afterwards.those guys on my list are not all SUPERSTARS but they all sure as hell have something left in there tank.



Since: Jul 22, 2007
Posted on: June 22, 2011 11:47 pm
 

Will the Marlins trade Hanley Ramirez?

They SHOULD trade Ramirez!!  Maybe they could get a little leaguer-- and his mom too!!  NAH... Hanley's not worth the mom.  I think Hanley's on drugs this year...and NOT steroids. He's playing like he's on Crystal Meth.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: June 22, 2011 10:47 pm
 

Will the Marlins trade Hanley Ramirez?

Matty that was a dumb comment. Hanley has had an attitude problem ever since he signed that mega contract 3 years ago and that contract don't run out for another 3 years. Hanley enjoys playing for the Marlins, because they're the only team that is going to put up with his BS and actually do what he says. He ran out Cody Ross, Dan Uggla, Edwin Rodriguez, Fredi Gonzalez (THANK YOU), and probably a few others. Not too many other teams will put up with a guy who has such attitude problems. See: Milton Bradley.

Also, the Marlins don't trade their "superstars" every 2 years. They do get rid of guys who have nothing left in the tank. A few, and I mean very few, have gone elsewhere to have success as a "superstar."

As for where Hanley will end up? He has $13 mill on his contract this year which goes up ~$1 mill every year until 2015 which I think is the last year of his contract. They should deal him to the Yankees so Hanley can get a rude wakening.



Since: Feb 2, 2009
Posted on: June 22, 2011 8:15 pm
 

Will the Marlins trade Hanley Ramirez?

I mean, they would considering they trade every good player after 2-4 years that comes into the team and emerges as a superstar.. so yeah they would.. and u bet that every team in the majors (except those with great ss's) will be after this stuf. It's obvious he doesn't like playing with the marlins anymore, so it wouldn't shock me if they traded their superstar-caliber ss


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