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Posey officially out for the season

Posted on: May 29, 2011 4:14 pm
Edited on: May 30, 2011 8:19 am
By C. Trent Rosecrans

Buster PoseyLast May 29, Buster Posey made his 2010 debut, going 3-for-4 with three RBI and starting his charge toward the Rookie of the Year award and a World Series title. On the same day a year later, he underwent surgery to repair three ligaments in his left ankle, Andrew Baggarly of the San Jose Mercury News reports.

Baggarly later tweeted that Giants trainer Dave Groeschner said Posey was officially out for the rest of the season. Posey had two screws inserted into his ankle and will have another surgery to remove those screws in eight to 10 weeks. Posey won't be able to walk on his own for three months, Baggarly wrote.

Days after Posey's season was likely ended by a play at the plate with Florida's Scott Cousins, the debate about what to do about collisions at the plate is still going strong.

One of the latest to chime in is Florida Marlins catcher John Baker, who was not at the game because he is coming back from Tommy John surgery. Writing for Yahoo!'s Big League Stew, Baker simultaneously defends his teammate and also expresses sympathy for a fellow catcher (not to mention getting a shot in at Nyjer Morgan).

Besides the typical, who was right, who was wrong arguments -- I think Baker makes two really interesting points.

1. The fact Posey was the one hurt made it bigger news than it would have been had it been, say, Scott Baker.

I know that Buster Posey is a rising star, but let's rewind to last season when Nyjer Morgan went out of his way to hit Brett Hayes (effectively ending his season and sparking an ugly brawl the next day) in what was clearly a dirty play. How come no one was on PTI arguing for a rule change then?

And if it wasn't Cousins who hit Posey, but instead someone like Tulowitzki, or Pujols, what then? Would the term "dirty play" be used? Apparently to get some attention in baseball you have to be a star with a World Series ring. Don't worry Hayeser, I've got your back (so does Gaby).

2. Baker favors a compromise for a rule change and dubs it the "Buster Posey rule":

If the runner is forced to slide, then the catcher cannot be allowed to block the plate (like the collegiate rule). Because throws aren't always on line, contact still will happen, but I can't disagree that everyone would be safer.

Where else in sports can you get a 90-foot head start and run full speed into a grossly under-padded target looking in a different direction? Not the NFL, NHL, NBA, or even the fighting sports. In mixed martial arts and boxing, both combatants understand the rules. Buster Posey never even had a chance to "protect himself at all times."

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 10, 2011 6:08 am

Posey officially out for the season

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Since: Dec 10, 2010
Posted on: May 30, 2011 1:56 pm

Posey officially out for the season

As described in the article, a person gets a ~90 ft run at a stationary person and can choose to run into him in an attempt to make the person drop a ball. As stated by many, this is for entertainment and an "exciting" play in BB.  How does this scenario / description differ from a scene in the Jackass show and the entertainment value many seek by the similar acts of violence against someone?!

How this rule or issue cannot be discussed and possibly changed is just wrong.  If you can compare a professional sport scenario to something like that sort of entertainment is the problem.  The rule should have been looked at long ago.  Cobb was not the first player in the game, but he was about the first to take this game as seriously (or more competitive) then the players at the time.  The game drastically changed from the initial rule and something like this should be looked at before a more serious injury happens.

Is this going to take someone to die before this is taken seriously?!  Most of the contact (or force) from this play is towards the upper bodies of the players.  It really does not take much for an elbow, hand, arm, etc. to make contact with the neck (i.e., windpipe) and with the force could result in death or paralysis.  

A couple months ago the was outrage over a foul ball taking out the eye of a coach of the Braves and that was more of a typical play of the game and the lack of safety precautions, not something that can be compared to the aforementioned entertainment program.  This isn't something to look at an possibly change the rules as many have ended their careers due to this play; and why, because some people enjoy this type of entertainment?! If you enjoy this type of entertainment, go watch Jackass and have a great time, but this shouldn't be anywhere near the entertainment value coming from MLB. 

To those who compare some of the slides into second or breaking up double plays, yes, some of those should be reviewed after the fact with some discipline.  There are many 'clean plays' there and most are, but I have seen a handful over time that just should not happen.  The runner in this scenario does typically leave the 3-ft basepath width (created by himself) to go out of his way, so this is not a stretch to have some of these plays reviewed and penalized in some way.  This doesn't need to be handled on the field or during a game, but could be reviewed after the fact.   


Since: Nov 23, 2006
Posted on: May 30, 2011 1:08 pm

Posey officially out for the season

I've read a few posts on this board and it seems many fans consider these collisions a part of the game like the collisions in the NFL and the violence in the NHL.  Baseball is a non-player contact sport.  Like a pitch can be used as a weapon against and opposing hitter a collision of players, even if one is stationary, is extremely dangerous.  Catchers who block the plate and try and eliminate a runners right to it run the risk that Posey did and have to deal with the result.  My point is this is clearly a judgement call that the Home Plate Umpire must make and, just like on a swing or no swing, the umpire can ask for help.  The play at the plate is a tag play ONLY therefore the catcher should be looking to make the tag if possible and without blocking the plate, and the runner should be looking to avoid the tag or can go as far as trying to slap the ball out of the catchers mit.....that's it!   That should be the rule and the Umpire should be the one to judge the play.  The rule has to be with the intent to score a run by touching home plate, not just trying to either block the plate or knock the catcher down and jar the ball loose.  Posey's collision was very violent and where he was hit indicates he could have suffered cracked ribs instead of having his leg(s) bent back under him in the awkward way it occured.  Both could have suffered injuries and concussions.  I am using this collision as an example because there have been others too that have caused injury too.  Players and Managers too have gotten use to the fact that if the ball arrives first on a tag play the runner's only chance is to jar it loose rather than slide under to avoid the tag.  Umpires also, 99% of the time, are already prepared to call a runner out if the ball arrives first no matter what despite the fact that there has been many instances where the runners have slid and avoided the tag and gotten to the base before the tag was actually applied.  There is skill in this game and those that need to see occasional violence or beat up fans, well, find something else to do with your time.

Since: Apr 25, 2011
Posted on: May 30, 2011 11:26 am

Posey officially out for the season

This is what happens when you try to get offense out of a defensive position. Catchers should be built like fireplugs. Get the Poseys and the Mauers out from behind the plate if you don't want to get them hurt.  Catchers should be 6 foot tall 25o lbs like linebackers. Then people won't WANT to run into them.   I am that size and when I played catcher - people did not want to run into me - especially after seeing me dip a shoulder and flip a guy in the air at full speed.  It can be done - easily.  

Since: Nov 30, 2008
Posted on: May 30, 2011 7:57 am

Posey officially out for the season

I feel bad for Posey, but cmon its been part of the game like-forever. If you cant handle playing catcher than move to another position. Dont sit and whine about it after the fact. You cant change the game because of this. Yes maybe the runner ran him over, but he was still blocking the plate a little. Either make a play on the runner or move out of the way. The runner has the option to blast em or slide, its still part of the game and always should be, its what makes baseball a great sport-keeping the rules the same-next they will be asking to play mound ball!!!!!!!!!!!y

Since: May 30, 2011
Posted on: May 30, 2011 5:22 am

Posey officially out for the season

It would have been fine if the runner were trying to get to home sliding or jumped over and reaching back but that isn't what he did! The runner used his body like a missle and aimed for Posey and like the Giant fan in L.A., it shouldn't have happened. Watch the play, it doesn't have to be watched twice to know it wasn't an accident. The runner should be out for the same ammount of time Posey is out and if he ever uses his body as a ram again, banned!

Since: Jul 9, 2007
Posted on: May 30, 2011 4:31 am
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Since: Mar 30, 2007
Posted on: May 30, 2011 1:45 am

Posey officially out for the season

I sure hope the Giants done got for payback this is baseball now mob wars. While I am very arngry abou the play and it seems he could ahve chose to go another path thre was no intgent to injure at all. For the reason above no one wants to start a cycle of paybacks.

Since: Sep 27, 2009
Posted on: May 30, 2011 12:30 am

Posey officially out for the season

For anyone who thinks otherwise, think of what they do when it is obvious a baserunner is trying to take out a middle infielder on a double play opportunity.  The baserunner has to make an attempt to get to the base not an attempt to slide into the guy throwing the ball.

Since: Sep 27, 2009
Posted on: May 30, 2011 12:27 am

Posey officially out for the season

I was a catcher for a long time and I can tell you this: blocking the plate at the time you try to make a tag is one thing (the runner should be free to do what they can to remove their obstacle) but attempting to make a play without blocking the plate is another. Buster was NOT blocking the plate and the runners BEST option was absolutely not crashing into the catcher. Regardless of the fact that Buster got hurt instead of the runner, it could have easily gone the other way. I think that if there is a cleat path to the plate and a runner goes out of the way to hit the catcher, there should absolutely be a penalty/suspension/fine whatever.  All it will take is the season ending injury going the other way (badly for a baserunner) for say Pujols or A-Roid or another big star to get something done. If I was on the Giants and I was a back-up, I would make it a point to "accidentally" crush Cousins. Just like the tit for tat HBP stuff that goes on. The stupid thing is that is exactly what you don't want!! Baseball isn't a contact sport and Cousins attempted to make it one when it was not the best option end of story!

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