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MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

Posted on: May 26, 2011 7:15 pm
Edited on: May 26, 2011 8:55 pm
 
Buster Posey

By C. Trent Rosecrans

Buster Posey sustained no knee damage in his collision with the Marlins' Scott Cousins, Giants head trainer Dave Groeschner told reporters, including Al Saracevic of the San Francisco Chronicle, meaning he may be able to return to the Giants this season. It was feared he was out for the season following Wednesday night's scary incident at home plate.

Posey is expected to be out six to eight weeks or longer after suffering a broken fibula and severely strained ligaments in his left ankle. The 2010 Rookie of the Year underwent three MRIs on Thursday to determine the extent of the injury.

"The fracture will be fine," Groeschner said. "The ankle injury is most concerning to us."

Posey will have surgery to repair ligaments on both sides of his ankles and may insert a screw into his ankle to help set the bone. The team expects Posey to have surgery within a week. Groeschner would not give a timetable for Posey's return, but did say he would be "out for a while."

Groeschner said the team has had other catchers sustain similar injuries and return.

Even if Posey does return this season, it would be late in the season and the team is already looking for possible short-term upgrades. Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com tweets that the Giants have already asked about Nationals catcher Ivan Rodriguez. Rodriguez, 39, has been supplanted as the team's starting catcher by Wilson Ramos and is in the second year of his two-year deal, paying him $3 million this season. Rodriguez's offense hasn't been good this season -- he's hitting .205/.256/.342 with two home runs in 79 plate appearances -- but he's still a force defensively, throwing out five of the 12 baserunners who have attempted to steal on him. The Nationals also have Jesus Flores on the 40-man roster as well as Derek Norris, a top prospect, at Double-A Harrisburg.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 10, 2011 7:33 am
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

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Since: Jun 10, 2010
Posted on: May 29, 2011 9:15 am
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

It all seems extremely over-analyzed here. 8 pages!

There's a lot of Posey fantasy owners here...



Since: Dec 22, 2006
Posted on: May 27, 2011 6:25 pm
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

When a runner is attempting to slide into the 2nd baseman to break up a DP, the 2nd baseman often can see the runner comming at him, and thus has a chance to manuver and avoid him.  The catcher, on the other hand, often can't see the runner coming towards him, unless the play is coming in from left field. Most plays at the plate are not forced plays, so the catcher can't just tag the plate and jump out of the way, like a 2nd baseman often can.  The catcher has to concentrate on catching the incoming throw, while bracing himself to get creamed by a runner coming at him full steam.  If the catcher is blocking the plate, then it's his choice.  In this instance it looked like Cousins went out of his way to knock the ball out of Posey's glove, in case he had caught it.  I know it's a legal play, but there's got to be a better way.  Yes, it's one of the most exciting plays in baseball, but many people think that anything that can cause serious injury is exciting.



Since: Dec 19, 2006
Posted on: May 27, 2011 6:16 pm
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

look at the video you called out above and stop it at the :12 mark.
Done
He was going directly at Posey and was not even targeted at the plate.
He was doing both.
Posey left a clear path to the bag even after his turn, his left leg was barely brushing the first base side of the plate.
With the play paused or on slo-mo, you are absolutely right. If the game were played that way, he should have and could have slid around Posey.  Unfortunately, the play happened in real time and Posey was still in the process of turning at the time of the collision.  Cousins made the correct baseball move.
There is no way one could argue that Posey was blocking the plate on this play.  At the most, he was trying to square up to protect himself from the impact.

I don't know how you are sure of what was going on in his mind.  He absolutely started on the first base side of the plate.  His movement immediately preceding the collision carried him toward the runner's path, not away from it.
I'll give you the point about the baseline.  Cousins was inside the base path.
This is more than just a minor point to concede.  In fact, this is the entire point.  Cousins has a right to a clear path to the plate within his basepath.  Not just a small corner of the plate.  The entire plate.  Should this be changed?  Apparently some people think so.  But my argument is regarding this particular play.  If Cousins is in the basepath, it's a legal play and I have no issue with him.  Had he gone outside the basepath it would be an entirely different story.
I still think you can clearly see his intent wasn't to reach the plate but was to hit Posey. 
No, I think we can both see his intent was to do both.  I mean, his obvious objective here is to score a run.  It's not like he attacked Posey in the dugout.

Anyways, it's been real but I think I'm done here.  We're just beating our heads against the wall anaylizing the step by step movements, and intentions, of a play that happened in the blink of an eye.  I think we can all agree it's unfortunate and I hope Posey recovers quickly.  The game is better with him as a part of it.  Perhaps the Giants will consider a change of position when he's back.





Since: Nov 18, 2010
Posted on: May 27, 2011 5:36 pm
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

Should we allow baserunners to tackle the first baseman so he isn't able to field the ball and make a play at first base?  I don't think anyone would agree that this is good for baseball so why should it be allowed at home plate?

Let's take what you just said and reverse it.  MLB doesn't allow first basemen to stand in front of first base to keep the runner from getting to the bag.  So by your theory why should we let a catcher block home plate from a runner?  If any rule should be changed it would should be that the catcher is forced to stay out of the base paths and only try to tag the runner just like second basemen are forced to.

By the way runners coming into second base constantly try to break up double play by intentionally sliding DIRECTLY at the shortstops and second basemen, not sliding into the base.  They are almost always out of the base path causing the defensive player to jump over them to avoid injury.  This has also led to many injuries but nobody is saying change that rule, why the double standard? 

If you change the rule at home plate, then you better change the rules at second base.  I personally don't think any rule changes are needed, but in this PC world nobody is ever supposed to get hurt so add more rules and add more laws.  I just wish people cared about average workers getting hurt in industrial work as much as some "superstar" getting hurt playing a game.



Since: Dec 12, 2006
Posted on: May 27, 2011 4:44 pm
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

sorry...make that "shinguards"



Since: Dec 12, 2006
Posted on: May 27, 2011 4:43 pm
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

MJM7...the reason no one said anything about Ford running over Suzuki is because Ford slid into Suzuki on the play and did not take him out.  it's the reason Ford has a sprained ankle and is now on the 15 day DL.  Ford ran into Suzuki's shingurads and got hung up.  Get the facts straight and then comment.



Since: Dec 22, 2006
Posted on: May 27, 2011 4:17 pm
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

I was watching that game live and witnessed that horrible incident.  This has to be the craziest play that is allowed in sports.  To give the runner the right to smash into a stationary catcher while running at full speed is insane.  Sure, it's part of baseball but it's a dangerous play that has cost many players their careers.  The rule should be altered to be made safer for all involved.




Since: Dec 12, 2006
Posted on: May 27, 2011 4:08 pm
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

First of all, charlie, despite your assertions, this type of play does not happen regularly.  In fact it happens quite infrequently.  If it happened as much as you say, there would be many more catchers going down in a heap around home plate.  And the Morgan-Hayes collision did get national press, as did the Carlos Santana incident.  Russell Martin hurt his hip in a play at the plate.  We all know that it happens, but for the first time, the administaration of baseball is feeling the monetary efffects of losing star after star to home plate collisions.  Something will be done to protect catchers...people pay too much in ticket prices and owners pay too much in salaries for something not to be done.

You say that you cannot change 100 years of baseball history because this now becomes problem.  Let me cite some other changes in the history of baseball that were made for the sake of safety.  Players are now required to wear helmets when they bat.  This was not always the case.  It went fom no helmets, to helmet insertions under the regular hats, to helmets, and now the helmets with an ear-flap.  Even base coaches are required to wear them when they're on the field.  Baserunners must also wear helmets when they run the bases. This was not always the case, but a few concussions or injuries here and there changed all of this.  There was not always a "warning track" on every field...now they are mandatory.  Why? So that players are more aware of the fences when they go back on fly balls.  The use of the warning track has probably saved many more Aaron Rowand scenarios over the years.  Padded walls have also helped in this.  Players were not always warned about throwing "bean balls".  In fact, Drysdale and Gibson often used it as part of their repertoire.  Now, a pitch at someone's head will probably result in a warning and/or someone being tossed from the game.  Players are not allowed to slide with their spikes high, ala Ty Cobb, for obvious reasons.  Aluminum bats are on their way out in college, high school and little league, and Astroturf has been replaced on most, if not all, major league fields.  So there have been precedents set that have improved safety in the game.

As for running into the catcher, the rule can be changed and not have a drastic effect on the game.  It's already been done in high school and college where it's illegal to bowl over the catcher.  Things can be changed to make things safer.  Hell, they're challenging illegal hits in football...a sport that's all about hits.  The game of baseball is not conducive to contact, except in this situation.  Nowhere else can a position player be toppled in order to gain an advantage.  At second, on a double play, you are immediately called out for "going after" a middle infielder.  And as for policing it...they do it on the other bases.  Besides, aren't there other umpires on the field watching as well?  You actually have four sets of eyes to make one call.  If it's about the safety of a player that may or may not take away from a team's chance to win, lessens the sport of baseball as a whole, and is an action that may ruin and entire career, then you have to make the call....to protect the catcher.  

It's about Posey now, but it should have been changed 50 years ago.  It would have probably saved a lot more careers, and made even more moot that ridiculous argument that it's a part of baseball history.  Sometimes baseball needs to change for the better and this is one of those times.



Since: Jul 10, 2007
Posted on: May 27, 2011 3:39 pm
 

MRI reveals no knee damage for Posey

Lantern - look at the video you called out above and stop it at the :12 mark.  Look at Cousins angle of attack and Posey's body position even after he made his turn.  The intent of the runner is very clear from this view.  He was going directly at Posey and was not even targeted at the plate.  Posey left a clear path to the bag even after his turn, his left leg was barely brushing the first base side of the plate.  There is no way one could argue that Posey was blocking the plate on this play.  At the most, he was trying to square up to protect himself from the impact.

I'll give you the point about the baseline.  Cousins was inside the base path.  I still think you can clearly see his intent wasn't to reach the plate but was to hit Posey. 

I still think an Ump can police this play in baseball and I think the runner should be required to make an attempt to reach the plate.  If the runner needs to take out a catcher blocking the plate than so be it.  In this case, cousins had a clear path to the plate. 


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