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No call from the Hall coming for Manny

Posted on: April 8, 2011 6:08 pm
By C. Trent Rosecrans

Manny RamirezManny Ramirez, meet Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McGwire, Pete Rose and Joe Jackson -- you guys will forever be known as Hall of Shamers with Hall of Fame numbers.

In January, the Baseball Writers Association of America sent a clear message when Palmeiro received just 11 percent of the vote, despite having both 3,020 hits and 569 home runs. He is the only eligible player with 3,000 hits not in the Hall of Fame (noting Rose is not eligible). And of the 25 players with 500 career home runs, 17 are eligible for the Hall of Fame with only Palmeiro and McGwire are not in the Hall.

Ramirez doesn't have 3,000 hits, but his 555 career homers and .312/.411/.585 slash line and 154 OPS+ over 19 seasons appealed to the more stat-orientated voters, while his "presence" and "fear he put in pitchers" appeal to those who apply the eye test to voting. 

Add to his numbers, he also hit 29 postseason home runs and was the 2004 World Series MVP as the Red Sox broke the Curse of the Bambino, so he even wins the Jack Morris voters over.

However, the activist voters have kept out not only Palmeiro, who like Ramirez, served a suspension for testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs, out of the Hall of Fame, but also those assumed to have taken PEDs (McGwire) and even  those that only had the slightest rumors of PEDs attached to their name (Jeff Bagwell).

It seemed like even the constant excuse making that "Manny being Manny" was even going to get him some votes from those who wouldn't excuse Palmeiro or McGwire's transgressions and make his candidacy at least interesting when his name finally appeared on the ballot.

I called up one voter who had covered Ramirez today to ask him if this changes his vote. Well, it didn't change it, but did solidify it.

"I would have had a hard time reconciling his first suspension -- I know the argument that it's so widespread and you don't know who did and who didn't -- to me, he was caught and he was clearly cheating at the time, not only was it illegal and against the rules," the voter said. "I would have had a hard time voting for him before today. The fact that it happened again, I wouldn't vote for him now. It solidifies my feeling. WIth the steroids out of the question, he was a no-doubt Hall of Famer. He was one of the two or three best hitters I'd ever seen, but I won't vote for him now."

This voter, it should be noted, did vote for Bagwell but not McGwire or Palmeiro.

In the end, Ramirez may end up being one of the best right-handed hitters in baseball history, but he'll end up busted instead of with a bust in Cooperstown.

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Since: Sep 5, 2008
Posted on: April 9, 2011 9:17 am

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

This article makes it sound like these are the only two times in his career when PEDs were used.  Who knows?  All during his"glory years" he could have been useing them, just like Bonds.  Without them he may have been a 300 hitter, but with only 250 HR's instead of the 500+.  This is why the Hall should slam the doors on these cheaters, expecially this one for getting caught twice in the past few years.  Gee, shouldn't this taint the BoSox World Series when their MVP could have been useing?  Not only should he retire but the teams that he played for should do a class action lawsuit against him for what he really is, A FRAUD!

Since: Aug 9, 2009
Posted on: April 9, 2011 1:15 am

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

you're dreamin, bud

Since: Jun 3, 2010
Posted on: April 8, 2011 11:38 pm

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

primetime, not if they fall off the ballot before there's any kind of total turnover. and you can still vote when you're retired. they need to die before they stop voting -- and that's not gonna happen in time for this crew

Since: Jun 3, 2010
Posted on: April 8, 2011 11:37 pm

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

bonds isn't eligible yet... and his case will be interesting

Since: Sep 26, 2006
Posted on: April 8, 2011 10:38 pm

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

How did that looser Bonds not make list of sumbags??? Hes the biggest jerk of the bunch.

Since: Dec 25, 2006
Posted on: April 8, 2011 10:07 pm

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

Who knows how long this guy was dirty? Cant prove how long he was clean and if his stats are legit or PED aided. When it comes to Manny and the HOF, JUST SAY NO!

Since: Mar 7, 2009
Posted on: April 8, 2011 9:46 pm

New class of voters

Of course Manny will get into the HOF... So will Palmero, McGwire, and Bonds.

The current voters for the HOF will be retireing and a new generation of voters will get all these guys in.

So there was a Stereroid era...
There was also a segregated league (without the black, hispanic, or other race)...
There was also a time when the pitchers mound was not raised...
There was also a "juiced ball" era...
And there will be other issues that dramatically adjust the game of baseball.

The voters and the fans cannot be hypocritical in their views (yet we are seeing it every day)... depending on the sport.

Football has long had issues with stereroids or PED's.  Their players are called hero's when they return to the game. 

Face it. 

Since: Sep 9, 2009
Posted on: April 8, 2011 8:02 pm

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

As already noted, the only hall Manny Ramirez gets is the Hall of Shame.  As for Cooperstown-?  He can get in line behind Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Jose Canseco.  And ALL of THOSE guys are in line behind Pete Rose.  Manny had a great set of numbers, but we've had it confirmed why.  How much $ does he owe the Rays?

Since: Apr 15, 2007
Posted on: April 8, 2011 7:37 pm

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

Did you even read that opening paragraph Durax?  He named two PED-based "hall of shamers," and two betting related "hall of shamers." In no way, shape, or form was there any hint of this story even vaguely implying Shoeless Joe is/was tied to PED's for his "Shamer" status, so there is nothing to set straight.

Since: Jan 23, 2011
Posted on: April 8, 2011 7:36 pm

No call from the Hall coming for Manny

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